Ozil - Do we need him?

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Originally Posted by Özim

To be fair we'd get nowhere near 42 million for him, he has 1 year left on his contract.

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That's just another traditional club problem. Letting the contracts of our star players wind down. We're experts at it. Suppose we'll sign Gibbs for another 5 years though.

Wenger's a master cheapskate. He'll bring insufficient talent into the squad and mix it with dross. Then he'll make extortionate demands on the talent of a few. Cesc, RvC, Ozil, Alexis. He's always looking for somebody to compensate for his skinflint methods. We have no money, we have no money, we have no money - yes I agree with raising the ticket prices to be the most expensive in the world. He's a con artist.

You're right though. We'll get fucked again on Alexis' fee due to contract mismanagement. The players won't sign because they see no sign of ambition here. What's their incentive to sign early? Ox's contract is winding down too. I can see him tearing down the line for Liverpool, ripping us up next season. Alexis at the chavs? At least Ozil will go abroad I would think.

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Occasionally though, for whatever reason - maybe rebellion, we inject a bit of pace. 5-10 minutes in a match maybe. And that's when the goals come and the surprise bonus of entertainment is delivered. Anti-Wengerball. Faster, more direct, players running rather than walking. And THAT's when Ozil, Alexis and Ox come into their own - and sometimes even Ramsey. You could distill our season down to maybe 2 hours of decent play. The rest is Wengerball.

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What do you think Wenger has said or done for Ozil to produce his latest performance?

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

What do you think Wenger has said or done for Ozil to produce his latest performance?

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Ozil's "latest" performance? What, in particular, are you referring to? Do you think Ozil played differently in some way?

Ozil really doesn't work in a team that plays tippy tappy football, he's a player who is at his best when at pace and thus a counter attacking style is much more suitable, with Wenger in charge he just doesn't fit in, despite this he still creates chances...now sure he hasn't been great this season but I put that down to Wenger, the style of play and the fact we lack any kind of leaders to push players like him as well (he seems to me like a player that needs leadership around him to prosper).

Under a different manager I reckon we'd see a different Ozil, at Arsenal he's wasted, though still worth keeping for his assists alone, fact is for the money we'd get we wouldn't be able to replace him suitably.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

That's just another traditional club problem. Letting the contracts of our star players wind down. We're experts at it. Suppose we'll sign Gibbs for another 5 years though.

Wenger's a master cheapskate. He'll bring insufficient talent into the squad and mix it with dross. Then he'll make extortionate demands on the talent of a few. Cesc, RvC, Ozil, Alexis. He's always looking for somebody to compensate for his skinflint methods. We have no money, we have no money, we have no money - yes I agree with raising the ticket prices to be the most expensive in the world. He's a con artist.

You're right though. We'll get fucked again on Alexis' fee due to contract mismanagement. The players won't sign because they see no sign of ambition here. What's their incentive to sign early? Ox's contract is winding down too. I can see him tearing down the line for Liverpool, ripping us up next season. Alexis at the chavs? At least Ozil will go abroad I would think.

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Yup we do it time and time again, let our top players run down their contracts, frankly if we can't get them to commit with 2 years left we may as well sell them and find someone else (we're unlikely to replace them with someone suitable, but logically that's what we should do).

What we should be doing is getting them signed up (which if we were ambitious and the club was progressing wouldn't be too much of an issue, we're not of course which is where the problem lies), if we can't then sell them and sign another top class player as a replacement.

You're right though, Wenger is cheap (another freebie coming in the summer I see) and has no ambition, so it's hard to get players to commit or keep them happy, why would anyone want to play for a 2nd rate manager whose idea of success is being also rans?

This club never learns it's lessons, I put that down to Wenger as well, the guy never learns a thing, the same scenario can take place 20 times and he'll still persist with failed techniques, as a club we're a failure.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Ozil really doesn't work in a team that plays tippy tappy football, he's a player who is at his best when at pace and thus a counter attacking style is much more suitable, with Wenger in charge he just doesn't fit in, despite this he still creates chances...now sure he hasn't been great this season but I put that down to Wenger, the style of play and the fact we lack any kind of leaders to push players like him as well (he seems to me like a player that needs leadership around him to prosper).

Under a different manager I reckon we'd see a different Ozil, at Arsenal he's wasted, though still worth keeping for his assists alone, fact is for the money we'd get we wouldn't be able to replace him suitably.

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I have no doubts about that whatsoever. That was the huge hope this time around, that we'd see a different manager. I guess everything else is pretty meaningless anyway for as long as Wenger hangs around. Asking if we need Ozil, I suppose, is legitimate in this one respect. Ozil or no Ozil, we're not going to progress if Wenger stays. Alexis, no Alexis. Kos, Bellerin,.. name anyone. We won't be progressing whether these players stay, go, get injured. Not if Wenger stays.

Fuck - Wenger has to go. He just has to.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Ozil's "latest" performance? What, in particular, are you referring to? Do you think Ozil played differently in some way?

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I have no idea. I didn't watch the game and neither did you but for some reason you decided to revisit this with these stats.

What do the stats tell you. Why highlight in this particular game that it's essential we keep Ozil?

I think regardless of what Ozil does or does not give us, I think it's essential for the club to keep him now

The fact is Sanchez is going to go in the summer, that's going to be an incredibly bitter pill for fans to swallow if that selfish old ouisseau stays, but Ozil whether people rate him or not is a shirt seller and is one of our two high profile players.

If we lose Ozil and Sanchez, there will be a shit storm raining down on this club the likes of which it has not seen in thirty years or more.

And it won't just be the fans reaction, the sponsors will not like it.


It might have been acceptable when we had the figurative begging bowl but not now.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I have no idea. I didn't watch the game and neither did you but for some reason you decided to revisit this with these stats.

What do the stats tell you. Why highlight in this particular game that it's essential we keep Ozil?

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Those stats were in a post match summary so I posted them in a relevant thread here. Same for some stats that were relayed on Alexis, in that particular thread. It's a message board about Arsenal. I often post Arsenal related stuff here.

A direct quote.

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Ozil's set-up for Alexis Sanchez on Tuesday means he now has more assists than another player since the start of last season. The German wizard has now laid on 27 assists for his team-mates, one more than second-placed Christian Eriksen.

Ozil now has eight goals and eight assists for the season in 31 games, an average of a goal or assist every other game, not bad for a supposed disappearing act.

He also set a Premier League record for chances created in a game, with a massive 12!

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For perspective. We need to keep this guy too.

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What's the perspective? We're at the end of the season looking unlikely to qualify for the CL and you thought it was a good idea to post this up?