Alexis Sanchez (official).

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Van Persie went to United, it's as simple as that.

There was no animosity towards Vieira, Fabregas and Henry because they all went abroad (well until Fabregas came to Chelsea)

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Not only did RvC go to Utd he then won a title in a shitty team, virtually carrying that team over the line himself. It was a stark demonstration of how ineffective Wenger is a football manager. So we has the Judas moment from the player that was then rubbed in when the player was proven 100% right in his claims we are losers. Because we are. That's how the scumbags in charge have set things up. Their attitude to sport is horrifying but this is all the long drawn out result from the first Sky TV televised match. From that moment football was doomed. The local aspect, the tradition, the two way loyalty, Roy of the Rovers, all replaced by money and the deep cynicism it brings.

Damn, we are so fucked as a club. It's hard to see any sort of light at the end of this circular tunnel.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Kroenke is a sporting vampire, but on the whole i'm not so sure i care that much about him.....once Wenger is gone, i am hoping at least that Ivan Gazidis actually has power over managers, and as long as he's making money he won't care and will continue to be the absentee owner that we'd rather him be.

Plus the alternative to Kroenke is Usmanov

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Exactly. We're so fucked.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I think most people who are desperate fro Wenger to go would equally like to see Kroenke bugger off. Problem is there's nothing anyone can do to make him sell up. Last season a polite protest was organised and the whole stadium instead erupted in support for the club and the manager. For as long as that's happening the leeches robbing the place can sit there and keep their scam running. "We" at Arsenal, in terms of the fans, means a vocal minority split away from a complacent or nonchalant majority. Football has been methodically pricing out fans and replacing them with consumers and tourists. These latter groups won't be interested in doing what it takes to get the likes of Wenger and Kroenke out of the club. I doubt they are really that interested in football to be honest. I'm afraid the fans have lost their game. It has been bought out from under then and transformed into an environment where the whole point of the game has become milking a consumer base and attracting blood suckers like Kroenke. We're the odd men out now, Kroenke is very much in his natural environment.

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Think there would actually be more consensus around a protest against kroenke than Wenger. People still feel loyalty, gratitude, nostalgia or whatever the fuck it is for Wenger - and the bastards at the top exploit the sense of division in the fan base for all its worth. They will continue to do that as long as the debate focuses on Wenger.

I don't think there's the same sense of division in attitudes to kroenke. It's pretty black and white. He is a leech who hasn't invested a penny to make the club more competitive, and has sat on his hands while Wenger slowly lost his grip. So we should be targeting him directly, not the senile old fall guy he's kept in place, basically as his spit guard.

Whether it would do any good is another matter, of course, but it might at least send a signal that this ain't the land of milk and honey, and that this is going to be an uncomfortable place to invest your money.

There may not be much we can do as lowly fans, but I want to see that bastard squirm.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Plus the alternative to Kroenke is Usmanov

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Not necessarily. There will be others interested in Arsenal should kroenke go.

This is not a reason to shrug and let kroenke carry on leeching the club.

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

Not necessarily. There will be others interested in Arsenal should kroenke go.

This is not a reason to shrug and let kroenke carry on leeching the club.

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And what can be done about it?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Van Persie went to United, it's as simple as that.

There was no animosity towards Vieira, Fabregas and Henry because they all went abroad (well until Fabregas came to Chelsea)

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I'm talking about before RVP went to Utd. Contract talks never took place and the club kept feeding the media stories about wage demands despite no offer being put on the table for RVP. It's the same process. The statement he made to through the press made that clear. Money wasn't discussed and he wanted to know what players we were signing when he met with Wenger and Gazidis.

He's a total cunt for how's he acted since joining Utd or even having the gall to push for the move there but the club played their part. That's the point being made.

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Originally Posted by GP

And what can be done about it?

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Possibly not much, as I say. The only thing we can do is make the issue firmly and explicitly about kroenke, not Wenger, and unite around that.

So make his life uncomfortable. Find a way to protest every match. Walk out after 6 mins each game to mark his six years at the helm. Whatever gets noticed. Just make him understand that the enmity is towards him, and make him feel he could have an easier time investing elsewhere.

According to the BBC, a training ground bust-up with his team mates was the reason Alexis was left on the bench yesterday.

It's a sad state of affairs at the club. Do we blame Wenger for Alexis throwing a hissy fit? Indeed, do we apportion any blame at all?

It does make it almost certain that he's off in the summer, though. The only thing that's left is how he leaves. Is it like that ungrateful Dutch tw@ or is it more like Liam Brady, where he wouldn't be considered a rat off a sinking ship and we'd just remember the good times...

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Originally Posted by Ernesto

According to the BBC, a training ground bust-up with his team mates was the reason Alexis was left on the bench yesterday.

It's a sad state of affairs at the club. Do we blame Wenger for Alexis throwing a hissy fit? Indeed, do we apportion any blame at all?

It does make it almost certain that he's off in the summer, though. The only thing that's left is how he leaves. Is it like that ungrateful Dutch tw@ or is it more like Liam Brady, where he wouldn't be considered a rat off a sinking ship and we'd just remember the good times...

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Given that it is 100% made-up, manufactured horseshit from the Arsenal press office, I don't blame alexis one bit. I suspect he has done nothing wrong apart from reacting to the mediocrity around him, just like RVP and Fabregas before him.

And even if there was one iota of truth to it (which there isn't), whatever happened to dealing with stuff like this in-house, rather than briefing out to all and sundry?

It's almost like the club want to distract us from something, isn't it?

I can't knock someone for having high standards and getting upset when those standards are not met. That is the hallmark of a winner and frankly if Alexis is vilified for this then it speaks volumes about the mentality at this club. He's not here for a jolly like the others.

We used to have stacks of players with his kind of mentality and they all fed off each other. Now though it seems you can't do anything to upset our poor little lambs who show such great spirit every week.