Silent Stan Krankee and the AST today

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

It's written down on the site, in great detail, exactly how much we have to spend and all available to wenger.

Why don't you read it, see for yourself?

Or do the AST know fuck all about the club also and are just making stuff up :rolleyes:

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Yes, there is a cash surplus of circa 50mil. And the "potential" 35mil profit on Queesland Terrace.

But;

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The AST is always at pains to point out that a player coming in on a four year deal at £50k per week has a total contract cost of £10m in wages (£2.5m x 4yrs), and these future wages of net squad additions need to come from either savings when other players depart or cash reserves and/or the remaining £35m of expected property realisations. It is for this reason that the "resale value" of a player has often appeared as important to Arsenal as the day one impact the player has on the first team squad.

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50k a week eh. Lollers.

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The AST estimates that the cost to the club of failure to qualify for the Champions League is circa £45m in annual revenues

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Stop reading the headlines for starters.

They are trying to assertain whether there are/were funds, or is the club being cautious, in the event that we don't qualify for the ECL.

Of more concern, and where Wenger is being criticised, is the wage bill. And rightly so. Why have we been paying shit players so much money is the argument.

Should Wenger be held to account for his "advice" regarding the rights issue? Sorry, but he can't tell them to rebuy their sodding shares. He may have advised it was not necessary, owing to the fact that we had Cesc, Nasri and plenty of other decent players who SHOULD have won us the league. Notwithstanding the fact that he has a duty to the club, and the board (his employers), and if he advised "yes, buy your shares back to give me money" and it fucked them over, he would be crucified. Not buy the fans, but by his own employers.

Wenger has failed to motivate his squad. He has, in some cases, been guilty of believing too much in some players. And he has perhaps taken a gamble on occassion, when he could have spent a little money bringing in a couple of sensible additions (assuming there was any money in the first place).

The financial position of this club is far more complicated that "he has 50 million to spend" and I wish people would read things properly.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

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I mean how would the sun know how much money we had to spend and i doubt anyone in the club would tell them a thing.

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I agree - and agreed. I refer to the Sun as bullshit. They might end up writing something that is true but that would be random and accidental. A bit like Nostrodamus who predicted fuck all but is hailed by many as a great writer of things to come - the Sun without tits, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Anyway ignoring the kids

Wouldn't it be funny if Stan came in this week sacked Wenger and his staff and told the board they would all be replaced as soon as the lockdown ends. Then he replaced Wenger with some random bloke we don't expect and put all his own men on the board.

Or

he comes in and announces that over a vodka and a cigar him and Usmanov have kissed and made up and decided to buy the whole club outright and still sack the manager and all the staff/most of the players.

Or

as largely expected Stan will state his backing for Wenger and nothing will change and this time next year we will be having this exact same conversation but after getting knocked out of the Europa League instead of the champs.

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Horseshit.



We won't make the Europa League.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

I agree - and agreed. I refer to the Sun as bullshit. They might end up writing something that is true but that would be random and accidental. A bit like Nostrodamus who predicted fuck all but is hailed by many as a great writer of things to come - the Sun without tits, maybe.

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i know you did, i agree with it.

Its almost as if the money men know we are in decline and have freed up enough money to cover us if we don't qualify for the champs league. But there is no acknowledgement of how much revenue would be generated from the Europa league which i would assume even with weird trips to Scandinavia and Turkey would be a profit.

I can see why certain players are being told they are out as well, if we are spending £130mil on wages (the whole club not just players) then that would need to be reduced to cover the loss of champs league. And lets face it we have some 90 players at the club, of which at least 25 aren't needed and it seems 4 or 5 are unplayable.

I can see another clear-out in the summer but sadly can see educated, senior pro's, like them or not, being replaced by the kids that are out on loan. Lansbury will replace Rosicky, Miyachi will replace Arshavin, Campbell will replace Chamakh and so on. And while this might give some of you a semi on isn't this big shithole we find ourselves in because we continuously sell senior pro's and replace them with kids?

There are 2 other very valuable assets at the club who could be sacrificed should we start loss making in Theo and RvP and while i would not bat an eyelid were Walcott to leave as he is pretty much a waste of sperm the loss of RvP would blatantly be catastrophic to out club. Take his 22 league goals out this season and where would we be?

Interesting yet bad, bad times ahead.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

Horseshit.



We won't make the Europa League.

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Well Liverpool will win a cup/finish 4th so we will take their spot in the league and Chelsea are still in the FA cup as well.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Yes, there is a cash surplus of circa 50mil. And the "potential" 35mil profit on Queesland Terrace.

But;

i)

50k a week eh. Lollers.

ii)


Stop reading the headlines for starters.

They are trying to assertain whether there are/were funds, or is the club being cautious, in the event that we don't qualify for the ECL.

Of more concern, and where Wenger is being criticised, is the wage bill. And rightly so. Why have we been paying shit players so much money is the argument.

Should Wenger be held to account for his "advice" regarding the rights issue? Sorry, but he can't tell them to rebuy their sodding shares. He may have advised it was not necessary, owing to the fact that we had Cesc, Nasri and plenty of other decent players who SHOULD have won us the league. Notwithstanding the fact that he has a duty to the club, and the board (his employers), and if he advised "yes, buy your shares back to give me money" and it fucked them over, he would be crucified. Not buy the fans, but by his own employers.Wenger has failed to motivate his squad. He has, in some cases, been guilty of believing too much in some players. And he has perhaps taken a gamble on occassion, when he could have spent a little money bringing in a couple of sensible additions (assuming there was any money in the first place).

The financial position of this club is far more complicated that "he has 50 million to spend" and I wish people would read things properly.

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Yep thats a good point the likes of cesc and Nasri should have won us the league, they should not be able to get away with their failures in the team because of who they were.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Its almost as if the money men know we are in decline and have freed up enough money to cover us if we don't qualify for the champs league. But there is no acknowledgement of how much revenue would be generated from the Europa league which i would assume even with weird trips to Scandinavia and Turkey would be a profit.

I can see why certain players are being told they are out as well, if we are spending £130mil on wages (the whole club not just players) then that would need to be reduced to cover the loss of champs league. And lets face it we have some 90 players at the club, of which at least 25 aren't needed and it seems 4 or 5 are unplayable.

I can see another clear-out in the summer but sadly can see educated, senior pro's, like them or not, being replaced by the kids that are out on loan. Lansbury will replace Rosicky, Miyachi will replace Arshavin, Campbell will replace Chamakh and so on. And while this might give some of you a semi on isn't this big shithole we find ourselves in because we continuously sell senior pro's and replace them with kids?

There are 2 other very valuable assets at the club who could be sacrificed should we start loss making in Theo and RvP and while i would not bat an eyelid were Walcott to leave as he is pretty much a waste of sperm the loss of RvP would blatantly be catastrophic to out club. Take his 22 league goals out this season and where would we be?

Interesting yet bad, bad times ahead.

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It's ok! We have 50 million to spend! or is it 55 million? Fuck it, I'm feeling positive. Call it 60 million, and with selling a few others, I make that 100 million.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Of more concern, and where Wenger is being criticised, is the wage bill. And rightly so. Why have we been paying shit players so much money is the argument.

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I don't buy that mate, it seems for all intents and purposes he argues over an additional £1mil transfer fee so why would he sanction such wages? Seems to me the other guy (whose name completely escapes me but he was the one who negotiated the Joel Campbell transfer very badly) and Ivan negotiate contracts and wages with players once we have agreed a fee.

Wenger might well be involved in identifying the players he wants and who gets contract renewals but i cant see him negotiating wages

However, where he is responsible is his complete misuse and mismanagement of players. Players like Squillachi, Arshavin, Park and Chamakh were all outstanding in other teams and internationally for that matter yet they are shite for us? Look at Bendtner a player of undoubted ability who cant function for us, Walcott? Vela the list goes on.

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Originally Posted by LDG

It's ok! We have 50 million to spend! or is it 55 million? Fuck it, I'm feeling positive. Call it 60 million, and with selling a few others, I make that 100 million.

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Wow. £100m we won't spend on players. Super!

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