Are the glory days over for good?

i would lol lots of if we won a trophy this year, well after waking up from the months coma produced by shock

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i would lol lots of if we won a trophy this year, well after waking up from the months coma produced by shock

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Depends what trophy we were to win i guess. and it depends who your going to LOL AT

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

I would love to believe that all our ills could be solved with shouting.

But it's hard to imagine him going off at Wenger. Not so long ago, the perception was that Wenger surrounded himself with yes men and Rice was just the guy who put out cones.

Rice's stint on the sidelines may have opened some eyes, but it's a fair stretch from there to shouting at what is effectively his boss.


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Perhaps he has just had enough? He was very vocal until the last couple of years when he seems to have gotten beaten down by it all, never really believed he is a yes man either his reputation in the game is outstanding.

While our problems wont be solved by shouting, of course, perhaps a little bollocking might go a long way. We know Wenger inst a shouter so perhaps a short sharp slap is what they need.

Either that or its all gone to far and Wenger has indeed "lost" the players, as it were

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i would lol lots of if we won a trophy this year, well after waking up from the months coma produced by shock

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We should of won the CC last year, IMO it would have made a massive difference to the club and the players. A winners medal to beat that monkey off their backs with would have helped mentally but the whole thing was wrong, the approach, the build up, the pre-match and certainly the 90 minutes, we genuinely looked like we couldn't be bothered, and if you cant be bothered in a cup final at Wembley, yes even the CC, you aren't fit to wear the shirt.

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Doesn't ring true to me, but the only real test of this premise will be how hard they will try to hold onto him in the face of declining results (and consequent revenue). If the board really doesn't believe in sustainability, let's see them a) pay a premium to remove Wenger, b) expend money to recruit and c) make substantial (unsustainable) funds to back their new man.

I see them as being highly resistant to this, Gazidis' flat refusal to consider sacking, suggests this.

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Agreed, I see nothing changing whether Wenger stays or goes, maybe bar the usual, temporary bump gained when a new manager arrives. The facts of the matter are simple and yet almost completely ignored. The board has consistently failed to invest in the team. In fact it's worse than that, they have run down the team in a series of disastrous transfer windows. Whoever was calling the shots (let's face it, like any other company in the world it is the board that has the final say), the buck stops at the top. But the ultimate and damning indicator of who is most to blame for the demise of the team is spelled out clearly in the huge amounts of money the board members have personally taken at the very same time the team was descending into chaos. So many overlook this glaring point even though it is staring them in the face. This club is now in the hands of corporate rapists. They talk of sustainability and financial prudence, yet we cannot sustain even our 4th position in the league. Then again, they haven't been interested in sustaining the team for a long time now, as successive transfer windows have shown. But they managed to not only sustain but enhance their share value for the whole period up until they cashed in. This is why I'm sure they would say they have presided over great success. From their point of view it's hard to argue. Virtually zero money in and hundreds of millions taken out with a clean escape beckoning in time to avoid the ship sinking. They've done very well for themselves. I hope they die.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Agreed, I see nothing changing whether Wenger stays or goes, maybe bar the usual, temporary bump gained when a new manager arrives. The facts of the matter are simple and yet almost completely ignored. The board has consistently failed to invest in the team. In fact it's worse than that, they have run down the team in a series of disastrous transfer windows. Whoever was calling the shots (let's face it, like any other company in the world it is the board that has the final say), the buck stops at the top. But the ultimate and damning indicator of who is most to blame for the demise of the team is spelled out clearly in the huge amounts of money the board members have personally taken at the very same time the team was descending into chaos. So many overlook this glaring point even though it is staring them in the face. This club is now in the hands of corporate rapists. They talk of sustainability and financial prudence, yet we cannot sustain even our 4th position in the league. Then again, they haven't been interested in sustaining the team for a long time now, as successive transfer windows have shown. But they managed to not only sustain but enhance their share value for the whole period up until they cashed in. This is why I'm sure they would say they have presided over great success. From their point of view it's hard to argue. Virtually zero money in and hundreds of millions taken out with a clean escape beckoning in time to avoid the ship sinking. They've done very well for themselves. I hope they die.

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Well said :clap:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Agreed, I see nothing changing whether Wenger stays or goes, maybe bar the usual, temporary bump gained when a new manager arrives. The facts of the matter are simple and yet almost completely ignored. The board has consistently failed to invest in the team. In fact it's worse than that, they have run down the team in a series of disastrous transfer windows. Whoever was calling the shots (let's face it, like any other company in the world it is the board that has the final say), the buck stops at the top. But the ultimate and damning indicator of who is most to blame for the demise of the team is spelled out clearly in the huge amounts of money the board members have personally taken at the very same time the team was descending into chaos. So many overlook this glaring point even though it is staring them in the face. This club is now in the hands of corporate rapists. They talk of sustainability and financial prudence, yet we cannot sustain even our 4th position in the league. Then again, they haven't been interested in sustaining the team for a long time now, as successive transfer windows have shown. But they managed to not only sustain but enhance their share value for the whole period up until they cashed in. This is why I'm sure they would say they have presided over great success. From their point of view it's hard to argue. Virtually zero money in and hundreds of millions taken out with a clean escape beckoning in time to avoid the ship sinking. They've done very well for themselves. I hope they die.

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AW would have never stayed with the team and renewed his contract in 08 or 09 (?) if he had so much interference from the board in signing players. And I have said this many times... with the personnel he has at his disposal, we should be doing much better than 15th place and conceding 8 goals at OT. Every semi-decent manager wouldve sorted the defense out in 5 seasons! Board could be wrong... I say could because I dont know what they say to Wenger. I will judge the team based on the manager, his tactics and the personnel available... We have a more than strong squad to be easily in the 4th/5th position but where are we? What is our record since the loss to Birmingham in the CC? Its all down to AW tbh.. board members could be cunts but the amount of power that AW wields at Arsenal, I cannot point to anyone other than him for us being in the shit hole!

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

AW would have never stayed with the team and renewed his contract in 08 or 09 (?) if he had so much interference from the board in signing players. And I have said this many times... with the personnel he has at his disposal, we should be doing much better than 15th place and conceding 8 goals at OT. Every semi-decent manager wouldve sorted the defense out in 5 seasons! Board could be wrong... I say could because I dont know what they say to Wenger. I will judge the team based on the manager, his tactics and the personnel available... We have a more than strong squad to be easily in the 4th/5th position but where are we? What is our record since the loss to Birmingham in the CC? Its all down to AW tbh.. board members could be cunts but the amount of power that AW wields at Arsenal, I cannot point to anyone other than him for us being in the shit hole!

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Did not know the season had finish. Its silly to put the blame on 1 person when the problem is bigger then that.

When Wenger was at Monaco it was a similar parttern. He wouldn't spend the money.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Did not know the season had finish. Its silly to put the blame on 1 person when the problem is bigger then that.

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You take one part of the post and make a point. How about you answer why we have such a fantastic record since the loss to Birmingham. I think that stretches to something like 19 games and 19 points (?)- relegation form. And add the failures of the last 5 seasons and you know that the problem lies with AW, not the board. None of you 'board haters' EVER answer why our defense is bad, why players are out of position, why our formation sucks, why we didnt sign a player like Parker, Cahill etc.. All you 'BH' (Board haters) will say that the board stopped Arsene from spending. Ok fine, but none of the questions above needs major spending or no spending at all!

Yes, go ahead and find something else to say against the board.. lets see how ticket prices are the reason the players cant defend! :lol: