Match Reaction Vs Wigan

Define 'fails'

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

Define 'fails'

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Your Arsenal shirt.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Your Arsenal shirt.

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

No, he didn't. He deserved criticism, IMO he deserved to be sacked for the collapse at the tail end of last season but the disrespect and abuse? No, he didn't deserve that.

We didn't get our arses handed to us by Liverpool by the way, I went to that game and we matched them that day and but for Frimpong's over-exuberance we'd have got a point IMO. The Utd debacle...well, no-one is defending that and if it's the thing that made Wenger or the board or both see that we needed reinforcements then it was a blessing in disguise :ollie:

It's laughable to call the panic buys (I agree they were panic buys) pub teamers, several of the players we bought have started to make a real difference to the squad and you can see that in both the way we're playing and the results. We should have conducted all that business at the start of the summer, not the end, but overall I think we did some good business on deadline day.

Spurs did not kick our butts. I didn't see that game but everyone I know who did says it was an even game which we were a bit unlucky to lose - that final part was emailed to me by a Spurs fan whose judgement I generally trust. Spurs are a good side this year, frustratingly, their record this season is excellent and losing narrowly away to them is not a disaster. The Blackburn result was a bad one but it was early season when confidence was shot and before the new signings had much time to make any impact. Since then we've gone on a fantastic run, not a 'decent' run.

I'm not sure whether we'll finish top 4 but if we keep playing like we have more recently then we've got a chance and so long as the players give everything to try and achieve it then you'll get no complaints from me. If we don't then it'll be in part because of City buying their way into the top 4.

The big problem right now is our over-reliance on RvP for goals. If that is not addressed in January with a signing and he either gets injured or goes off the boil and we struggle in the 2nd half of the season then Wenger will deserve criticism. Right now Wenger deserves some credit for turning things around. I have no problem with people criticising Wenger or the board or whoever when things go wrong but some people on here have such a polarized view (or, in your case, pretend to) and it's pretty much impossible to have sensible debate with them.
About a year ago you defended Wenger tirelessly, he could do no wrong.
Now you criticise him tirelessly, he can do no right.
I don't believe anyone can switch from one extreme position to the other so quickly, both points of view are simplistic and obviously nonsensical. He's clearly a good manager, he clearly has flaws. The transfer window was a car crash (till deadline day), he's turned things around and now we're looking like a team again.

Your posts come across as attention seeking and WUMmish. You like certain players and they can do no wrong, if they have a good game you trumpet them loudly, if they play poorly you refuse to acknowledge it. Other players you're the complete opposite. There are no shades of grey in your posts and that makes it hard to take you seriously.

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Critisism, for sure. Abuse and disrespect? Probably not but after what hes done to this club the last couple of years, cant blame the younger generation for dishing out some abuse to the cunt.

I watched the Liverpool game and we were woeful. Liverpool werent much better admittedly but they always looked the more likely team to win. The Manc defeat was the lowest of the low and Wenger shouldnt have walked then but he should have been sacked. Knee jerk? i dont think so if you consider the previous 6 months. Wenger shouldnt have needed to panic buy. He should have got all his transfers sorted before the season so we could go in to the Liverpool and Manc games with a stronger squad than what we did. He failed to do his job.

Juries still very much out on our deadline day signings. Benayoun has been shite as expected. Arteta has pulled up no trees. Santos has looked good offensively, not so much defensively. Mertesacker has had some iffy moments. Add to that our earlier summer signings, Gervinho whos been hit and more miss and Jenkinson whos been woeful then its not all rosy.

I didnt watch the Spuds game either but from what i read/been told, they dominated for much of the 2nd half after we had a decent first half. Blackburn game was awful. That had little to do with signings settling in but more to do with Kos having a shocker of a game and Djorou being absolute shite. 2 players who should have been nowhere near the first team. Fair enough, Kos has picked it up a bit although at RB where hes out of the line of fire. I said decent run and not fantastic cos until the Chelsea game, we beat no one i didnt expect us to beat and even then we didnt look great in doing so. We then put in a performance v Chelsea and have played better since and got the results as well bar the Fulham game but as i said at the time, i wasnt upset about the draw v Fulham, we arent going to win every game.

I dont think we'll finish top 4. Top 2 is sorted. Chelsea will improve and no doubt buy in January like last season when they were similarly shit before xmas. Spuds look favourites to get that other spot. Yes City spending will have played a part but Wengers non spending will have played a bigger part and thats the thing Arsenal can do something about. We cant do anything about City.

I can see Wenger buying in January if we are still challenging for a top 4 spot. Previous history suggests he will. Jan 06, we were in a fight with Spuds and he goes out and gets Ade, Theo and Diaby. Jan 09, competing with Villa and he gets Arshavin. Wenger is more likely to spend in January if we are sturggling for top 4 than he is when going for the title as in neither 2008, 2010 0r 2011, did he spend in January when in a title race. Shows where his priorities lie imo and thats not good enough.

I can tell you the exact date i turned on Wenger. April 18th 2010, the date we lost 3-2 to Wigan. Few days previously, we had just lost to Spuds away for the first time in the league since god knows when. Spuds are a decent team. No shame losing away to them. However our title rivals Chelsea then go lose to Spuds on the saturday giving us another lifeline in the title race and as the optimist i was then, i thought Wenger would have the players fired up against Wigan. We produced a shite ass performance and deservedly lost, conceding 3 in the last 10 minutes. The following summer, he again doesnt get the quality we need and the 10/11 season turned out to be an embarrassing and humiliating one cos of it. My turn around was hardly quick. I was willing to give Wenger the benefit of the doubt especially as we started last season rather well and we were still in 4 competitons by February. Now, i didnt expect us to win the quadruple as most papers thought we would or even the treble or a double but i did expect us to win one. In the end we end up humiliated in all 4 competitions.

Your last paragraph can be said about most if not all the posters on here. Theo is a great example. Hes had a very good season but critisised no matter what by some posters. Im not going to name names cos i did so last time and one started crying and i think im now on his ignore list :lol: Winterburn was right about that in his article. Everyone has their favourites. Tbf, the only players we have/had that i wouldnt praise are Diaby and Bendtner and considering neither have ever given me anything to praise them about, id say its fair what im doing.

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Originally Posted by Fergie the Rednose Reindeer

Thats your Opinion though, to the board he did what was needed and thats why he stayed on.

2nd bolded part. Wenger always says the same but common sense he will buy in Jan eveyone knows he needs too, he knows he needs too. Unless your in the mans head you can't know what he is thinking.

Do i think he should have walked in the summer, nope because whoever came in the result would have been the same. Should he walk this summer, if he fails again then yes.

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And thats why the board gets just as much critisism as Wenger

Wenger has "needed" to buy quality for a few transfer windows and has failed to do that. Why would this be any different? We needed a striker in the summer. Not just any striker but a quality one. He buys Park. Need i say more?

I dont believe that. If Wenger went as he should have done, i think a new manager would have given us new impetus.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Critisism, for sure. Abuse and disrespect? Probably not but after what hes done to this club the last couple of years, cant blame the younger generation for dishing out some abuse to the cunt.

I watched the Liverpool game and we were woeful. Liverpool werent much better admittedly but they always looked the more likely team to win. The Manc defeat was the lowest of the low and Wenger shouldnt have walked then but he should have been sacked. Knee jerk? i dont think so if you consider the previous 6 months. Wenger shouldnt have needed to panic buy. He should have got all his transfers sorted before the season so we could go in to the Liverpool and Manc games with a stronger squad than what we did. He failed to do his job.

Juries still very much out on our deadline day signings. Benayoun has been shite as expected. Arteta has pulled up no trees. Santos has looked good offensively, not so much defensively. Mertesacker has had some iffy moments. Add to that our earlier summer signings, Gervinho whos been hit and more miss and Jenkinson whos been woeful then its not all rosy.

I didnt watch the Spuds game either but from what i read/been told, they dominated for much of the 2nd half after we had a decent first half. Blackburn game was awful. That had little to do with signings settling in but more to do with Kos having a shocker of a game and Djorou being absolute shite. 2 players who should have been nowhere near the first team. Fair enough, Kos has picked it up a bit although at RB where hes out of the line of fire. I said decent run and not fantastic cos until the Chelsea game, we beat no one i didnt expect us to beat and even then we didnt look great in doing so. We then put in a performance v Chelsea and have played better since and got the results as well bar the Fulham game but as i said at the time, i wasnt upset about the draw v Fulham, we arent going to win every game.

I dont think we'll finish top 4. Top 2 is sorted. Chelsea will improve and no doubt buy in January like last season when they were similarly shit before xmas. Spuds look favourites to get that other spot. Yes City spending will have played a part but Wengers non spending will have played a bigger part and thats the thing Arsenal can do something about. We cant do anything about City.

I can see Wenger buying in January if we are still challenging for a top 4 spot. Previous history suggests he will. Jan 06, we were in a fight with Spuds and he goes out and gets Ade, Theo and Diaby. Jan 09, competing with Villa and he gets Arshavin. Wenger is more likely to spend in January if we are sturggling for top 4 than he is when going for the title as in neither 2008, 2010 0r 2011, did he spend in January when in a title race. Shows where his priorities lie imo and thats not good enough.

I can tell you the exact date i turned on Wenger. April 18th 2010, the date we lost 3-2 to Wigan. Few days previously, we had just lost to Spuds away for the first time in the league since god knows when. Spuds are a decent team. No shame losing away to them. However our title rivals Chelsea then go lose to Spuds on the saturday giving us another lifeline in the title race and as the optimist i was then, i thought Wenger would have the players fired up against Wigan. We produced a shite ass performance and deservedly lost, conceding 3 in the last 10 minutes. The following summer, he again doesnt get the quality we need and the 10/11 season turned out to be an embarrassing and humiliating one cos of it. My turn around was hardly quick. I was willing to give Wenger the benefit of the doubt especially as we started last season rather well and we were still in 4 competitons by February. Now, i didnt expect us to win the quadruple as most papers thought we would or even the treble or a double but i did expect us to win one. In the end we end up humiliated in all 4 competitions.

Your last paragraph can be said about most if not all the posters on here. Theo is a great example. Hes had a very good season but critisised no matter what by some posters. Im not going to name names cos i did so last time and one started crying and i think im now on his ignore list :lol: Winterburn was right about that in his article. Everyone has their favourites. Tbf, the only players we have/had that i wouldnt praise are Diaby and Bendtner and considering neither have ever given me anything to praise them about, id say its fair what im doing.

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tl;dr

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Originally Posted by Ach

Critisism, for sure. Abuse and disrespect? Probably not but after what hes done to this club the last couple of years, cant blame the younger generation for dishing out some abuse to the cunt.

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Stopped reading after this.
More pointless WUMming, doesn't deserve to be read or responded to in depth.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

Stopped reading after this.
More pointless WUMming, doesn't deserve to be read or responded to in depth.

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:lol:

It was sarcasm

To be honest for a moment I really felt Wenger had lost it, qs the wheels really came off at the end of last season and did not look like they were getting back on at the start of this.
I would not have been too disappointed to see him do the honourable thing and show himself the door. . !but that didnt happen and plenty other things did. . .two of our talismen chose the door and Wenger was left in the lurch. . .he may have played the off season a little better but that is in the past and in hindsight it may be said that what he did bring him as made us better than before. . . .

Because without question we are better, playing better, mentally better and work for each other much better!
Wenger is a lot of things, but a cu#t he is not because I do not think thst such a person could do what he has done for us.
We may not yet be the title challengers that some say we must become before they drop their animosity but we aint the mugs those same people say we are, not by a long shot. Old Trafford could have seriously damaged us mentally but Wenger went out and bought a crop of players that steadied that ship and I believe that the way he pkays the next transfer window is vital to our progress.

The run we are currently on, can only bring a smile to a Gooners face and if it doesnt there is something seriously wrong. . .Fulham showed we are human and there will be similar games but the team is played more direct, attractive balanced football. We will see some of the other have moments, Utd are scraping out 1 nils, Chelsea look beatable, Spurs are shit, just need to hope Citeh slow down!
Silverware in some form is a possibility if we continue the way we are but if not this year, I feel confident with the direction we are going, and I am happy to have that cu#t Wenger stay in charge!

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Originally Posted by Stocking full of Chamakh

To be honest for a moment I really felt Wenger had lost it, qs the wheels really came off at the end of last season and did not look like they were getting back on at the start of this.
I would not have been too disappointed to see him do the honourable thing and show himself the door. . !but that didnt happen and plenty other things did. . .two of our talismen chose the door and Wenger was left in the lurch. . .he may have played the off season a little better but that is in the past and in hindsight it may be said that what he did bring him as made us better than before. . . .

Because without question we are better, playing better, mentally better and work for each other much better!
Wenger is a lot of things, but a cu#t he is not because I do not think thst such a person could do what he has done for us.
We may not yet be the title challengers that some say we must become before they drop their animosity but we aint the mugs those same people say we are, not by a long shot. Old Trafford could have seriously damaged us mentally but Wenger went out and bought a crop of players that steadied that ship and I believe that the way he pkays the next transfer window is vital to our progress.

The run we are currently on, can only bring a smile to a Gooners face and if it doesnt there is something seriously wrong. . .Fulham showed we are human and there will be similar games but the team is played more direct, attractive balanced football. We will see some of the other have moments, Utd are scraping out 1 nils, Chelsea look beatable, Spurs are shit, just need to hope Citeh slow down!
Silverware in some form is a possibility if we continue the way we are but if not this year, I feel confident with the direction we are going, and I am happy to have that cu#t Wenger stay in charge!

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Aye. Plus while it might have been mostly down to him that we got into the shit, I can't think of another manager who would have got us out of it as well as AW has...