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6 pointer. Must win.
Big game. If Villa beat us you’d probably have to consider them as title contenders.
Looking forward to this. Really good test for us, they’ve won 14 in a row at home so we need to be at our best to get anything.
It isn't a must win. I don't even think those exist this early in the season.
I fear for us after what Villa did to City last night, I haven't seen City dominated like that in a long time.
We'd do well to get a point and I'd take that right now.
Losing Tomi is a big blow, Zin will be taken to the cleaners by Villa in this game if he starts
I didn't see Villa v Citeh, all you could say is look at our results compared to theirs and we have more chance
I'd play Ram ofc but there's no chance of that, Villa will be all over Raya
3-0 Watkins hatter (and it really could happen this time...)
This also has to be put in the perspective that City hadn’t won any of their three previous league games and were low on confidence, and missing the player who is so crucial to them in Rodri.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Their midfield just wasn’t up to it last night. Dont get me wrong, Villa is going to be the toughest away game we’ve faced all season. I think we have to be playing Jorginho and Rice to keep things tight especially with Tomiyasu injured. But I do think with the way Villa come forward, there’s space to exploit in behind them…Martinez is a mixed bag he’s either brilliant or shite.
I think with how tight things are at the moment and because of our next game after this being at Anfield, it is a must win. A draw won’t be awful, but it might not be good enough
If Villa were top and we were, say, 6 points behind them then I think you could declare it a must win to keep us in touch. But this early on the season with us on top, nah - there's too much football to be played, too many twists and turns to come. But a win would be a big statement, given their home record and form.
That's a loser mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
No, it's maths.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
Mathematically if we don’t win and Liverpool do, they go top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Fuck all the twists and turns in the season stuff, we want to be in control of our own destiny so this makes it a must win
Yes. The table would look like this if we lose and the other results go the way we don't want:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Liverpool 37
Arsenal 36
Villa 35
City 33
We'd be a point off the top. Less than half way through the season. Are you saying that if we lose it wouldn't be possible to win the league? By that logic Liverpool can't win it now. But of course they can.
Right now you just want to keep in touch.
Nah. To me a "must win" is a game where if you lose or even draw it, it makes winning the title impossible or at least improbable. This isn't one of those. No game is this early.Quote:
Fuck all the twists and turns in the season stuff, we want to be in control of our own destiny so this makes it a must win
What we can say is that a win would be a real "statement".
EDIT: We would still be in control of our destiny if we lose, we still have to play Liverpool.
So basically what you’re saying is your definition of a must win game is different. Yes so failing to win at Villa makes going to Anfield a must win game.
No I don’t say that it’s impossible to win the title without win at Villa, but it’s the kind of place we should be winning if we do want to win the title. So in terms of our own destiny (where we can stay top with just a draw at Anfield) winning on Saturday and winning the following Sunday at home to Brighton is a must.
I think we had a chance to lay down a marker by winning at Newcastle and we utterly failed to do that. With the exception of the City game at home, we haven’t had a real marquee victory and it’s time.
If we lose or draw it’s not the end, but it’s a massive chance missed
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Well, possibly. Those two games aren't consecutive. A draw in both would probably not be fatal, especially as we have both Villa and Liverpool at home later in the season.Quote:
Yes so failing to win at Villa makes going to Anfield a must win game.
Either would certainly be a statement win, I think we can agree on that.
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Originally Posted by Letters
I’m looking at it in terms of being top and wanting to stay top, and that no matter how well Villa played yesterday…it’s definitely going to be an easier place for us to go than Anfield. Drawing both would not be fatal to our title chances I agree, but if we want to stay top I think we really need to beat Villa and Brighton.
I guess I'm just less fussed about staying on top at this stage of the season, we were top for almost all of last season and it didn't do us much good in the end.
Right now we just need to stay in touch. It's what happens at the business end that counts.
But I am a fan of "statement" wins so one at Villa Park or Anfield could be important in that regard. It was a massive red flag to me when we lost to City at home last season.
My concern with leaving it late in the season is that it's where I think Arteta is weakest, all his chickens come home to roost as they did last season when lack of rotation tired the team out and no change in tactics made us easier to draw against or beat
So we need to build ourselves a cushion, even that won't gaurantee anything but I'm concerned we aren't a side that will finish strongly, unlike Citeh
Spoken like a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Boring troll is trolling. Boringly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
22Raya
4White
2Saliba
6Gabriel
35Zinchenko
8Ødegaard
41Rice
29Havertz
7Saka
9Gabriel Jesus
11Martinelli
Substitutes
1Ramsdale
14Nketiah
15Kiwior
17Cédric Soares
19Trossard
20Jorginho
24Nelson
25Elneny
76Walters
Predictable lineup although i'd have had Kiwior, Ram and Trossatd instead of Raya, Zin and Havertz
Kiwior was our worst outfield player on Tuesday wouldn’t have him back in the starting line up
Havertz deserves to be starting (for the time being)
Trossard was poor when he came on against Luton, doesn't deserve this one for me.
I thought he played ok, just wasn’t happening for him. But I think Havertz deserves the startQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Villa bossing things in the early stages
Saka scuffer.
1-0 McGinn.
I think we might be in for a pasting.
I'm out somewhere so not watching but a goal after 7 mins :rolleyes: was it down our left hand side by any chance...?
Certainly haven’t lacked chances to level things
Fairly comfortable for Villa really.
Fuck sake. No way we deserved to lose that game.
I didn’t see any of it so can’t comment, but it’s disappointing to concede so early and have all that time to score and then…not. From what you say we should have scored, but “should have” doesn’t get you points. It’s worrying how we’ve failed to score in the bigger away games so far this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
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Originally Posted by Letters
Doesn’t help when a blatant penalty doesn’t get given. When we equalise and it’s ruled out for handball after it hits Matt Cash’s hand as well as Havertz. And where they get away with an elbow in the face.
Dont get me wrong we should have been more clinical. But there’s no doubt the better team lost.
As far as I’m concerned the lack of a penalty award is bigger robbery than the Newcastle game
They gave an identical incident as a penalty for palace earlier in the day
I might have a look later if I’ve stopped sulking.
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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I think it would have been fairly soft to get a pen for that but as you say and Carragher did too Liverpool got a similar one earlier, I haven't seen it but if true the consistency is a fucking shambles once again.
That guy should have been sent off for elbowing Nketkiah, you can see him turn his head to look for Eddie before elbowing him ffs.
The disallowed goal was a disgrace too, I didn't seen Havertz handball it? I did see the Villa defender handball it first though.
Cunts.
We do need to be more clinical though we should have got something despite all the above.
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Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
I think it was a nailed on penalty, none of the ball was got and it took Jesus off balance
But as for the rest totally agree
Guys, check the betting odds in Phnom Penh if you want to know the results in advance.
We can moan about pels etc but expecting to win at Villa when you start with Zin and Havertz is always going to be optimistic, our team has too many self-inflicted flaws to win the league
Proof that you didn’t watch the game. Havertz was again one of our better players. In terms of missed chances the biggest culprit was Odegaard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Zinchenko was peripheral but given after the half hour mark Villa were almost constantly on the back foot, it didn’t really matter
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Originally Posted by Mac76
That's why I said despite all that we still should have got something. I'm not moaning about it it's just ridiculous.
I think they are more involved in what’s app romance/bitcoin scams. Russia and China are still your go to’s for football betting scamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn