Mathematically if we don’t win and Liverpool do, they go top.Originally Posted by Letters
Fuck all the twists and turns in the season stuff, we want to be in control of our own destiny so this makes it a must win
Mathematically if we don’t win and Liverpool do, they go top.
Fuck all the twists and turns in the season stuff, we want to be in control of our own destiny so this makes it a must win
Yes. The table would look like this if we lose and the other results go the way we don't want:
Liverpool 37
Arsenal 36
Villa 35
City 33
We'd be a point off the top. Less than half way through the season. Are you saying that if we lose it wouldn't be possible to win the league? By that logic Liverpool can't win it now. But of course they can.
Right now you just want to keep in touch.
Nah. To me a "must win" is a game where if you lose or even draw it, it makes winning the title impossible or at least improbable. This isn't one of those. No game is this early.Fuck all the twists and turns in the season stuff, we want to be in control of our own destiny so this makes it a must win
What we can say is that a win would be a real "statement".
EDIT: We would still be in control of our destiny if we lose, we still have to play Liverpool.
So basically what you’re saying is your definition of a must win game is different. Yes so failing to win at Villa makes going to Anfield a must win game.
No I don’t say that it’s impossible to win the title without win at Villa, but it’s the kind of place we should be winning if we do want to win the title. So in terms of our own destiny (where we can stay top with just a draw at Anfield) winning on Saturday and winning the following Sunday at home to Brighton is a must.
I think we had a chance to lay down a marker by winning at Newcastle and we utterly failed to do that. With the exception of the City game at home, we haven’t had a real marquee victory and it’s time.
If we lose or draw it’s not the end, but it’s a massive chance missed
Yes.
Well, possibly. Those two games aren't consecutive. A draw in both would probably not be fatal, especially as we have both Villa and Liverpool at home later in the season.Yes so failing to win at Villa makes going to Anfield a must win game.
Either would certainly be a statement win, I think we can agree on that.
I’m looking at it in terms of being top and wanting to stay top, and that no matter how well Villa played yesterday…it’s definitely going to be an easier place for us to go than Anfield. Drawing both would not be fatal to our title chances I agree, but if we want to stay top I think we really need to beat Villa and Brighton.
I guess I'm just less fussed about staying on top at this stage of the season, we were top for almost all of last season and it didn't do us much good in the end.
Right now we just need to stay in touch. It's what happens at the business end that counts.
But I am a fan of "statement" wins so one at Villa Park or Anfield could be important in that regard. It was a massive red flag to me when we lost to City at home last season.
My concern with leaving it late in the season is that it's where I think Arteta is weakest, all his chickens come home to roost as they did last season when lack of rotation tired the team out and no change in tactics made us easier to draw against or beat
So we need to build ourselves a cushion, even that won't gaurantee anything but I'm concerned we aren't a side that will finish strongly, unlike Citeh
22Raya
4White
2Saliba
6Gabriel
35Zinchenko
8Ødegaard
41Rice
29Havertz
7Saka
9Gabriel Jesus
11Martinelli
Substitutes
1Ramsdale
14Nketiah
15Kiwior
17Cédric Soares
19Trossard
20Jorginho
24Nelson
25Elneny
76Walters
Predictable lineup although i'd have had Kiwior, Ram and Trossatd instead of Raya, Zin and Havertz
Kiwior was our worst outfield player on Tuesday wouldn’t have him back in the starting line up
Havertz deserves to be starting (for the time being)
Trossard was poor when he came on against Luton, doesn't deserve this one for me.
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