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    Guys, check the betting odds in Phnom Penh if you want to know the results in advance.
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    We can moan about pels etc but expecting to win at Villa when you start with Zin and Havertz is always going to be optimistic, our team has too many self-inflicted flaws to win the league

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    We can moan about pels etc but expecting to win at Villa when you start with Zin and Havertz is always going to be optimistic, our team has too many self-inflicted flaws to win the league
    Proof that you didn’t watch the game. Havertz was again one of our better players. In terms of missed chances the biggest culprit was Odegaard.

    Zinchenko was peripheral but given after the half hour mark Villa were almost constantly on the back foot, it didn’t really matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Proof that you didn’t watch the game. Havertz was again one of our better players. In terms of missed chances the biggest culprit was Odegaard.

    Zinchenko was peripheral but given after the half hour mark Villa were almost constantly on the back foot, it didn’t really matter
    Yes, fair enough i didn't watch so was making that comment blind but still i don't think they were the best options pre-game with Kiwior and Trossard available , but sure I can't prove it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    Yes, fair enough i didn't watch so was making that comment blind but still i don't think they were the best options pre-game with Kiwior and Trossard available , but sure I can't prove it
    Kiwior was awful at left back

    And Trossard wasn’t great when he came on


    If Tomiyasu was fit, yeah doubtless I’d pick him over Zinchenko. But on current form i don’t think I’d have picked Trossard over Havertz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    We can moan about pels etc but expecting to win at Villa when you start with Zin and Havertz is always going to be optimistic, our team has too many self-inflicted flaws to win the league

    That's why I said despite all that we still should have got something. I'm not moaning about it it's just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Guys, check the betting odds in Phnom Penh if you want to know the results in advance.
    I think they are more involved in what’s app romance/bitcoin scams. Russia and China are still your go to’s for football betting scams

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    I think they are more involved in what’s app romance/bitcoin scams. Russia and China are still your go to’s for football betting scams
    Chose the most obscure place to imply everyone is doing it. Except the hapless English fans who still think it's a sport. Absolutely anything and everything that has a revenue stream attached that exceeds 50 pence is now corrupt. Totally, overtly corrupt. In your face. It's an actual business model and the most "respectable" are far worse than the legacy rogues, who probably don't know what the fuck has happened.

    Take the disallowed legitimate goal. A Villa player "handballs" it in the box, mostly because the ball randomly deflected onto his arm. So, by the standards applied by the compromised individuals posing as authority figures, penalty, right? Then the ball randomly ricochets off the Arsenal player's arm. So, by the double standards applied by the compromised individuals posing as authority figures, disallowed, right? Well, it all depends on the betting odds. Wouldn't be surprised if the VAR team have a direct feed to the markets that matter.

    In days gone by when sport was sport, the ref wouldn't have even seen all the bobbles and bounces and the goal would be allowed. And later, some fuck like Neville or Lineker would slo-mo the whole routine and add some spice by claiming it should have been disallowed. And the fans from one team would have said, on no it shouldn't. And the other lot would have said, oh yes it should. But the tiny little bullshit things that now get picked up (selectively) by VAR would have been brushed away in the moment. Because human mistakes occure and are expected. Whereas VAR mistakes are fully intended.
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    Jeez, seems like none of you watched it. And for once, I did. At least some of it. Was so boring I had to take breaks.

    Obviously the best team didn't win. Mainly because they have decided to tackle the season without a striker, but also - as usual - because the officials were blatantly corrupt. Not the ones on the pitch, I don't think. Although they probably were on standby if needed. But the cosy little rig squad they have set up in booths who can wave a wand and justify the ridiculous with the support of Should-Be-Sacked-For-Being-Unprofessional-Gary types.

    For those that didn't watch, most of the match involved Arsenal players tapping it around aimlessly and playing at a super low, almost stealing a living, tempo. Excruciating. Meanwhile the opposition have a very well drilled offside trap that becomes particularly hilarious when the poor old lino can't raise his flag until something other than the offside offense happens.

    And that was about it.

    Other than a bit of poor defending and a perfectly good goal that was disallowed because some Asian blioke bet big.

    As far as football goes, not much to see. Eddie is a tragic figure, yet still the leading scorer along with Saka, who mostly enjoys rolling on the ground and screaming like a bitch. Not sure what all the fuss is about that Rice bloke. Some of us have seen Vieira play, in the flesh. I saw somebody making a comparison the other day. Anything for attention, eh?

    The team misses Xhaka, a lot. He was a basic player, but at least he had that in his locker. And Auba is a big miss too, leaving all the other to literally miss big. That Odegard bloke is a complete waste of space. For every "wonderfully cultured" thing he does, he fucks up 5 times. He's the captain, right?

    Can't understand the hate for the gypo full back. He's one of the few who looks like he knows what's going on. The new guy Saliba looked competent too. But that White geezer, it's comical. Can you imagine him in an Arsenal team of old? Or that Peter Crouch wannabe for chavland. If you planted a turnip in the centre circle it would have more on-field awareness.

    And yet, this standard of this league is so appalling, this bunch of shitkickers could actually win it. Don't see why not. Especially of they put a few quid on themselves and move the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Whereas VAR mistakes are fully intended.
    If that were true then they wouldn't release the audio and open themselves up to scrutiny.
    VAR is clearly not working (inb4 you reply "it's working exactly as intended"). I've been an apologist for it because it feels like the right thing to do, but it's made the game worse.

    The issue with your thesis is VAR doesn't actually have as much sway over results as you seem to think, nor do officials.
    There are too many fine lines and other factors - Ødegaard should have scored at least 1, maybe 2 on Saturday. Had he done then we'd have got a result despite the VAR calls. The officials can't control stuff like that.

    Spot bets are easier to control - wasn't there some thing some years back where there was some player in collusion around the timing of the first throw in, he agreed to hoof it out of play straight from kick off or something. Stuff like this can be controlled. The result of a game - there's just too many fine lines. Our win at Luton is a good example. How the fuck do you orchestrate that?

    But hey, as I said if you start accurately posting results ahead of time based on your reading of betting odds then you'll convince me.

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