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    Ivan Gazidis

    what exactly has he done for this club? he joined in January 2009. I just wanted to have a look at a few things he has done, whether he is good enough to be chief executive. Im not trying to start a wenger debate, nor am i trying to blame somoene else instead of wenger (i state why later in the post). I also think discussing gazidis would be interesting too.


    Commerical

    So we were already in the emirates and he did nothing for the orginal sponsorship agreements with emirates airline. This year, he has managed to neogiate a rise from 5 million a year from them to 30 million. Thats one of his major contributions and a pretty good one too in terms of comercial deals. And there is a supposed one with puma too but given that hasnt been confirmed or announced we wont count this one.

    WHen you look at united, they have sponsors for everything, training kit, training ground, cars, seats in the dugout, every thing they can get sponsors logos on they do, and are pretty ruthless in cutting some deals too. I know they are globally a massive club so can attract lots of sponsors, but although we are not quite on uniteds level, we still have a huge global draw, just look at our recent tour. We have a few new sponsorship agreements with some nigerian bank, or indionesian telecoms company but they hardly bring in the money.

    So the new emirates deal is major plus, an extra 25 million per year (and the naming rights too but i cant remember the figures for that deal) and if he finalises the puma deal then there is another 30 million a year there. so thats 55 million more each year then we currently get. We need that and it is quite impressive to get those figures, but those are 2 deals in 4 years. Personally i feel we should be doing more, getting more sponsors in like united. But these two deals have or will happen this year, he didnt do much for the first three years.

    Transfers.

    This is where i think gazidis' biggest faults lie. He talks the talk, but i havnt seen him walk the walk and i get hte impression he is happy to hide behind wenger. He is chief excutive of the football club, wenger is the manager. Wenger should have an idea of the money so that he can choose realistic targets in the rough budget set, and that should be it. He shouldnt be included in the deals, nor should he sign them off because we know wenger doesnt particually like to spend, dein said so himself. IF wenger wants suarez, then gazidis should sort the transfer out. I mean, would wenger be so angry that the club spent 50 million on a player when he only wants to spend 40 and therefore not play him? of course he wouldnt. Now im turning this into a dont blame wenger, blame the board because given current situation, if wenger is choosing not to spend then he is at fault, I'm just making arugments to question gazidis.

    If Gazidis took control of transfers and the money, in a way that dein did, it would be better for our club. We wouldnt have wenger trying to do everything, he can just focus on the football and ask for players, the club then sort that out for him. Now these stories that are coming out, (the amy lawrence one for example) of wenger dithering and board wanting to spend big would be stopped if transfers were given over to the board.

    The reason i think gazidis is happy to hide behind wenger, is that it gets blame off him. There was people moaning on twitter this morning, it was all blaming wenger for not spending, not a mention of gazidis. He clearly is happy with wenger because he talked of a new deal and wanting to offer wenger a new deal. For someone who isnt happy with him dithering, that doesnt make sense. This brings into question his leadership. which is my next paragraph.


    Leadership

    As chief excutive he hsould lead club off the field while the manager leads it on the field. Look at David Gill at united, he let fergie do the football side while he went off and sorted transfers, sponsorships, the two worked well together, just like wenger and dein.
    I think Gazidis is quite weak, you never see him standing up to wenger. you hear these stories about them disagreeing over how much a player is worth, why doesnt he just buy him anyway? wenger wont turn round and refuse to play him. He could just tell wenger he is in charge of the moeny and if wenger wants suarez he will get him suarez whatever the cost. He talks a lot, says we can afford rooney etc but then nothing happens and the fans grow frustatred (me included) This causes more friction, arugements between AKBs and WOBs which is not good for the club.

    I also think he makes mistakes in what he says. Telling the world we have loads of money and want to spend it might be nice for the fans to hear, but then he's jsut told the world we have moeny to spend. We saw madrid up their price for Higuain, liverpool wanting 50 million. While both of those could be the clubs valuing their players higher, i also think it could be taht htye know we have lots of money and are trying to get as much as possible. I would if i was a selling club and saw the buying club brag about having lots of money.

    Tours
    I think this is his best contrbution to the club as of yet. THese tours, while i dont know how much they bring to the club finacially during the tours, allow fans from other countries to see their club and show us to the world. I think these tours are a great thing and hopefully it allows us to find more ways of getting sponsorship, more money and allows us to become finacally stronger and invest more into the club

    Dealings with the fans.

    I think this is one of the best things he does. While i know all questions are vetted beforehand and it really is just a PR exercise, i dont know many others who speak to the fans, hold Q&A sessions with them etc like he does. Fair play to him for participiting in them, even if it is PR its still a good thing that he does.


    Overall

    I think he has lacked on commerical deals, only one major deal in his time of being here, hopefully another to be announced soon, isnt great. The club keep annoucing small deals with nigerian banks etc but they dont bring much. I think the tours are a very good thing but overall i think he is weak, he talks the talk but then doenst act on it, stories come out of wenger dithering, which may be hte case but he doesnt stand up to wenger like dein used to. He lets wenger control him instead of the other way round.

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    I'm not going to knock him for his commercial activity, I can't imagine it's easy for him to approach any company and get them to part with huge sums of money. Also the companies actually have to want to be associated with Arsenal in the first place - with a lack of success we might be a harder draw than we used to be. He's obviously implemented the lucrative tours to pull us in line with other clubs but other than that I'm not sure what major changes he could have done up to now. It's only recently certain deals came up for renewal so I would say his work on this front is still a work in progress.

    Maybe he should be more hands on when it comes to transfers but don't forget this is a guy Wenget chose. The board are comfortable with the level of control he has so whatever it is Gazidis does Wenget must be ok with it.

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    Haven't read through all that, but from the bits I read, I have give props for an absolutely great attempt to deflect blame off Wenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner View Post
    Haven't read through all that, but from the bits I read, I have give props for an absolutely great attempt to deflect blame off Wenger.


    My thoughts exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    apart from the bit where i clearly state wenger is to blame? yeah you missed that. twat
    Probably did.

    I did say I didn't read through it all, tbf.

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    Another one of Wengers failures.

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    If what Gazidis says is true and we have improved the revenues by some £70mill per year then it's hard to say he hasn't done his job. Has he done any of it in the interest of the fans? Probably not. But his job will be to maximise returns for the shareholders, just as with any corporate entity. The confusion here is the shareholders don't cash in each year, they cash in in one big lump sump at the end of their stint. Seems to me Kroenke is going to do extremely well, not as well as the shocking crooks who went before him but he'll still get a tidy return. Gazidis will have played a key role.
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    He does what he's told, he's a just your typical corporate clone.

    Wenger should have been putting pressure on the board these last few seasons.

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    I actually think Wenger has final say in the amount we bid for players. If you think about it, that makes total sense as Wenger is the person who oversees the football team and knows which positions need strengthening the most and for a club like ours without an unlimited bankroll, we need efficiency in the transfer market to fully utilise value for our warchest and therefore strengthen accordingly to our priorities.

    Having said that, what we're seeing now is absolutely ridiculous. I think it's time to stop defending Wenger and pushing the blame towards the board. There are unsubstantiated rumours that Gazidis is urging Wenger to spend but the latter is unwilling to go above his own valuation of the player. This is coherent with what both Gazidis and Wenger said to mass media so I do not think this is far out at all.

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    Let's not kid ourselves, Wenger shoulders a lot of the blame here, he's just not willing to take a risk which would put extra pressure on him, he's taking the easy option by not spending the money available which would require him to somehow increase profits (through success).

    This club has been run the Wenger way for a long time, we know he dislikes the spending in the game and believes a club that makes profits is a healthy club, we also know he likes to find unknown players move them all over the pitch and try to turn them into stars that's the Wenger way.

    Gazidis is Wenger's yes man, the guy who agree's with Wenger and supports him whatever the scenario, after all Wenger had a say in who got the job, just like he seems to have a say in everything the club does.

    Am I surprised he didn't go to a bigger club when given the chance, no because let's face it he'd be required to spend money and deliver success and who is convinced he can, he certainly isn't.

    Arsenal is the easy option, massive wage, 100% backing from the board, a place he can do what he wants when he wants with relatively low pressure.

    If he went out and bought three top quality players for 80 million and failed to deliver a trophy (and thus profit) he knows the board would have serious questions and in truth that's outside his comfort zone, he's happy enough getting 4th place and making the club a profit, in his economist eyes that's the equivalent of success on the pitch.

    We've heard all the excuses, all the theories etc, but it's been long enough now to show that he just isn't really interested in spending, it goes against the grain.

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