I am generally wondering if there is another top bracket manager who has gone so long without winning.
Not sure how much transfer fees, etc can be blamed when we have a huge wage bill, and players like Ramsey, Denilson, Bendtner, Squilachi, Almunia etc have been given chance after chance.
Serious question....i cant think of anyone..most would have been sacked long ago.
The rules are different for Arsene Wenger.
In our jobs, we all have targets to meet. If we fail to meet those targets, we suffer the consequences.
What people need to realise, is Arsene's targets are not set by the fans, but by his employers.
Finally someone on here with a brain not a tropy driven idiot.Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Stupid thread tbh.
What a stupid response, considering some of the responses you come out with maybe you should choose your words more carefully.
A manager should if he has any pride in his job try to succeed and do his best, AW doesn't all he does is make money, that's not football at all. He's got no pride in his job clearly.
Last edited by Özim; 06-05-2012 at 05:55 PM.
It is a stupid thread cause we all know the answer, but because you like to slate Wenger its a top thread.
So what your doing is calling the fans stupid for lining the boards pockets nice that.
I can't think of one, but it's OK for Wenger as 4th place is like a major trophy. If I was AW I'd be pretty disappointed with my performance and career in the last 7 years, you'd have thought he'd have wanted to add a few more trophies to his collection, sadly he seems content with 4th places.....is there another big club manager with so little ambition to succeed?
It seems a long long time ago since we were that top side who were great to watch and so competitive, if you look at his record over the whole period with us it's not really that great.
The first paragraph isn't fair. When we're failing you can see how much it hurts him. He clearly wants us to still succeed. He may have lost the ability to succeed but not the ambition. As for the 2nd paragraph, the first half of his time with us was the most successful in our modern history. 2 doubles, an unbeaten league season and, arguably as important, all done with a style of football the like of which I'd never seen Arsenal play. The later trophies under Graham were impressive in that they were won with a pretty mediocre side but the boring football was awful to watch and the league form was pathetic. If you just care about the end result of a season, not too bad. If you follow the journey it was 8 months of dirge followed by a decent end. The 2nd half of Wenger's time with us has been disappointing but he's kept us in the top few year after year despite the rise of billionaire owners and other sides spending big to try and displace us. And all done against the backdrop of a complex stadium move which has restricted spending and awful commercial deals which have restricted income for a club of our stature (although he could and should have spent more). Against this backdrop I think he's done well to keep us in the top few. Having done so though, the failure to win any trophies is damning and no manager at a comparable club would have kept his job for this long. The football has been less good (although still loads better than the dirge in the latter Graham years) but overall to say his record is 'not that great' is simplistic revisionism IMO.
As mentioned above, it might hurt him at the time, but he soon seems to forget...how else can you explain what he does in the transfer market and how stubborn he is after years of failure?
The first part of his spell was great that's true, but look at his overally record, I wouldn't say it's that fantastic, you can't ignore 7 years without a trophy. In the Graham days firstly we were banned from Europe and then we only had one CL place until later on, the motivation to comes 4th wasn't there in terms of getting a place in the CL. I'd also say it depends whether you think 4th place is an achievement, personally I don't, we get into the CL as 4th place team which is a joke in itself let's face it, the reward for 4th should be the Europa league not Europe's premier competition.
The money aspect is relevant of course but his signings haven't been good, he's consistently gone for cheap nobodies who mostly have in the end disappointed, if you have genuine aspirations on winning you need top players, we've had some in the past but due to our lack of competitiveness (trophy wise) and unwillingness to invest we've lost them.
except he has the best win % in the history of Arsenal managers so comapring to other managers with us, he has been exceptional.
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