Gooners have been spoilt

[IBK]

No - not like that. I mean that a combination of petro dollars and 7 trophy less years seems to have turned many of us into bitter, perennially alienated fans.

This is no Wenger apologist thread, but it amazes me the comments I've seen on here and elsewhere about our team and club. The fact that we a written off after a single game where we failed to win against a team that will grind out many bore draws this season against decent opposition. Slagging off of players who have played a single competitive match together.

I asked recently whether it is Wenger who has become stale or whether it is us? The attitude that has been shown by many Gooners so far this season would suggest it is firmly the latter. Does slipping off your perch make every fan feel like this? I'd love to hear from some older Liverpool, Spurs or Villa fans, because it's difficult to imagine more of a negative outlook at the beginning of a season. Sure, we are unlikely to win the league, yes we have lost one player we admired, and another who IMO is Adebayor-lite. But Wenger seems to be trying to deliver something different at least.

Have we honestly forgotten to enjoy seeing a team develop? Do our new signings not deserve a little faith? Are we not even half excited about seeing perhaps a different style of football once new players bed in. Or have we become so jaded by our club's failure to spend petro-dollar style that we only watch Arsenal to see us fail?

[LDG]

We have been spoiled, though I don't know if I've moaned that much.

I get pissed off more with football in general than I do with club specifics (though many of those sickening things happening in football are prevelent at our club).

Still think Aw is a genius for delivering without spending anything, and I'm genuinely excited about the season ahead, and the new signings. I think we're a stronger side than we were last year.

If we didn't hear so much guff in the media, I'm pretty sure 50% of the disatisfied fans would be of the same opinion.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

i agree with LDG, generally speaking football has turned shit over the last 10 years or so. but this is the 1st season in the last 5 say that i am quite happy with the summer and looking forward to this team gelling in the near future. I am not that old but have seen the arsenal in a lot worse times then these so realise theres always ups n downs but we do have a top manager IMO and this year i truly believe will be a re emergence of arsenal as a force. but younger fans maybe do want instant success, maybe they have grown up not knowing what it was like pre-AW days and so all they have seen is success. I can wait if things are moving in the right direction. there is still plenty of time this summer for us to still fuck up big time tho! the hu ha after our 1st game was incredible! i mean, if we lost half this forum would be on suicide watch!

[Cripps_orig]

The reaction after the first game was justified.

It might have been the first game of the season but to us, it felt like just another game of the previous 3 seasons where nothing had been learned and we lacked any ideas on how to break teams down.

We bought in 3 players which of course raised the excitement level and rightly so cos Wenger buying 3 ready made players is literally unheard of these days but then we go and sell 2 of our star players so right back to square one.

Seeing the same shit, same mistakes same everything being made season in and season out can make anyone pull their hair out. 7 years we have not developed, what makes people think we will this season? We have not improved at all the last 7 years. Sure the first 2/3 years, we were content with top 4 as we settled in to the new stadium and a new era but then we expected the club to push on and once again become challengers for the main trophies cos as i said, if we keep challenging for the league then eventually we will win it but unfortunately the board and Wenger are quite content with settling for top 4 and the level we are at atm and takes no risk of trying to challenge. I thought he was taking a risk by bringing in players this summer but we have pretty much made back what we spent with the sales of RVP and Song so we havent moved on at all imo

Add the fact we play shit football, pay the most of any fans in the country to see this shit football and you can see why fans are the way they are.

Not much wrong with the fans, plenty wrong with the top brass at the club

[Power n Glory]

7 years and running and some fans patience have worn thin. First game, some fans went OT, but it's also OT for this sort of thread in response. It's too early to call anything. We're looking more active in the transfer window, yet we're still selling players. We've got a fresh team, but will Wenger work out a system that gets the very best out of each player? We don't know yet. But I wouldn't start turning the knife on fans considering the last few years we've had.

[IBK]

7 years and running and some fans patience have worn thin. First game, some fans went OT, but it's also OT for this sort of thread in response. It's too early to call anything. We're looking more active in the transfer window, yet we're still selling players. We've got a fresh team, but will Wenger work out a system that gets the very best out of each player? We don't know yet. But I wouldn't start turning the knife on fans considering the last few years we've had.

Didn't think the thread was OT, but your are entitled to your opinion mate. Seems to me that it's come to the point though that short of us a) risking the club's stability by joining the £200k pw club, or b) signing a super marquee player, there are Gooners who are now almost permanently disenchanted with their club.

[IBK]

The reaction after the first game was justified.

It might have been the first game of the season but to us, it felt like just another game of the previous 3 seasons where nothing had been learned and we lacked any ideas on how to break teams down.

We bought in 3 players which of course raised the excitement level and rightly so cos Wenger buying 3 ready made players is literally unheard of these days but then we go and sell 2 of our star players so right back to square one.

Seeing the same shit, same mistakes same everything being made season in and season out can make anyone pull their hair out. 7 years we have not developed, what makes people think we will this season? We have not improved at all the last 7 years. Sure the first 2/3 years, we were content with top 4 as we settled in to the new stadium and a new era but then we expected the club to push on and once again become challengers for the main trophies cos as i said, if we keep challenging for the league then eventually we will win it but unfortunately the board and Wenger are quite content with settling for top 4 and the level we are at atm and takes no risk of trying to challenge. I thought he was taking a risk by bringing in players this summer but we have pretty much made back what we spent with the sales of RVP and Song so we havent moved on at all imo

Add the fact we play shit football, pay the most of any fans in the country to see this shit football and you can see why fans are the way they are.

Not much wrong with the fans, plenty wrong with the top brass at the club

I'm with you on the one step forwards two steps back - and the frustration that that causes - but firstly would that have been quite the case without Citeh and Chelsea's presence, secondly could the cub really have done anything about our terminal to leave players and their agents, and lastly, is it ally really fair to level the same accusation against the club this season, when it seems as though therre has been more of a fundamental change in our approach?

[Cripps_orig]

I'm with you on the one step forwards two steps back - and the frustration that that causes - but firstly would that have been quite the case without Citeh and Chelsea's presence, secondly could the cub really have done anything about our terminal to leave players and their agents, and lastly, is it ally really fair to level the same accusation against the club this season, when it seems as though therre has been more of a fundamental change in our approach?

Yes it would have been frustrating even without City or Chelseas presence cos they arent the ones who have cost us trophies over the years. Its our own ineptness. Surely we should have managed a trophy or 2. If the likes of Spuds, Pompey, Liverpool and of course Birmingham can win a trophy or 2 since the time we last won one then there really is no excuse.

Players come and players go. Part and parcel of football. What we have failed to do is not replace quality with quality. We replaced quality with youth project and it fucked up big time

I dont see any change. I thought i did with the 3 signing but it was too good to be true and we have got rid of 2 star players since and the Sunderland horror show didnt show a change in footballing style either.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I didn't think the reaction was that excessive on Saturday. Heard a bit of booing but nothing more than a bit of frustration/disappointment.
And I don't think the mood is that downbeat in general.
The gereral mood seems to be that we've made good signings, accept they'll need some time to gel and that we have the makings of a pretty decent side.

We have been spoilt by Wenger's glory years but 7 years without a trophy is too long for a club our our stature (it has to be acknowledged that Wenger has made us a club of this stature, we were a 'big club' before Wenger came along but he has raised our level and expectations have raised accordingly)

It is harder to win trophies these days. The billionaire-fueled clubs are very difficult to compete with (and yes yes, Fergie manages it but he's probably the best manager of all time, Wenger's no bumbling idiot but he ain't Fergie). And the stadium move, while long term a good thing for the club has in the short term, combined with poor commercial deals, restricted us somewhat. Although we have, IMO, been too cautious and that has made our lives harder than it needed be. The benefits of that may yet to be seen.

Wenger has done brilliantly to keep us top 4 IMO in an era where so many clubs are throwing such silly money around. But we've been in a few positions in the last 7 years when we could and should have won trophies and we've failed to. That is where he has failed and any other club at our level would have sacked a manager after this long.

Fairly upbeat about this season. Don't think we'll win a trophy but at least we've signed some proper quality and while I don't think we'll win a trophy i fancy us for a top 4 finish again.

Top post Letters again.

The thing is I don't think the club does conduct it's business well....not any more...not since Dein and Edelman left

Gazidis is a complete cretin, only a moron would try and tap up a phone company for sponsorship negotiations without doing any research and then discovering to your horror that said company is owned by the man who owns almost 30% of the club and whom so far you have refused any sort of dialogue with.

Then there is the fact that Wenger desperately needs to be reigned in, he's performing far too many tasks for the club and in many cases he is performing those tasks badly......he has completely fucked the wage bill, he refuses any sort of advice or differing opinion as to how to go about things with the squad and has made a complete cock up of our transfer/contract negotiations.

He's a good manager i think still, but he's not a lawyer or litigator and he's not a businessman.....so he needs to take a big fucking step back and the fact that the club allow him to perform all these tasks and essentially employ his own boss....shows that things aren't being run well at all.

This.

The reaction after the first game was justified.

It might have been the first game of the season but to us, it felt like just another game of the previous 3 seasons where nothing had been learned and we lacked any ideas on how to break teams down.

We bought in 3 players which of course raised the excitement level and rightly so cos Wenger buying 3 ready made players is literally unheard of these days but then we go and sell 2 of our star players so right back to square one.

Seeing the same shit, same mistakes same everything being made season in and season out can make anyone pull their hair out. 7 years we have not developed, what makes people think we will this season? We have not improved at all the last 7 years. Sure the first 2/3 years, we were content with top 4 as we settled in to the new stadium and a new era but then we expected the club to push on and once again become challengers for the main trophies cos as i said, if we keep challenging for the league then eventually we will win it but unfortunately the board and Wenger are quite content with settling for top 4 and the level we are at atm and takes no risk of trying to challenge. I thought he was taking a risk by bringing in players this summer but we have pretty much made back what we spent with the sales of RVP and Song so we havent moved on at all imo

Add the fact we play shit football, pay the most of any fans in the country to see this shit football and you can see why fans are the way they are.

Not much wrong with the fans, plenty wrong with the top brass at the club

We played one game this season and it was hardly shit football unless your on about the last 7 years then id have to say our football had hardly been shit more entertaining.

you can see why fans are the way they are And how are the fans exactly. not alll are angry and upset ans you seem to suggest.

[Cripps_orig]

Top post Letters again.

We played one game this season and it was hardly shit football unless your on about the last 7 years then id have to say our football had hardly been shit more entertaining.

you can see why fans are the way they are And how are the fans exactly. not alll are angry and upset ans you seem to suggest.

Anyone who watched the game and i watched it all as i was there and not on a stream which froze every few seconds would see we played shit football v Sunderland. We've had so many of these type of games over the years and yet we continue doing the same thing over and over again. Even when Giroud came on, we didnt cross the ball in. We are so easy to defend against most of the time.

Fans are frustrated. They know for a team that can finish top 4 season in and season out and getting all that CL money and yet still not doing all we can to win a trophy is bloody piss taking from the club