Euro 2012 Seedings. Draw on 2nd December. 17:37

[McNamara That Ghost...]

There should be at least two Groups of Death.

[Coney]

Hope England end up with crap teams like Ireland in our group.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Germany in the Quarter-Finals. I can sense it.

[Syn]

It's a bit stupid putting the host countries in the first pot. Thought we'd out-grow that by now.

[Cripps_orig]

Best case scenario

Poland
England
Greece
Ireland

Pick up 3 wins, have Rooney back in the team for the quarters refreshed and we go on to win the whole thing

Worst case

Netherlands
England
Portugal
France

3 defeats, might get a point but England become the Arsenal of International football.

Group the world wants to see

Spain
Germany
Portugal
France

[Cripps_orig]

It's a bit stupid putting the host countries in the first pot. Thought we'd out-grow that by now.

Co-hosts Poland and Ukraine are given top seeding to try to prolong home interest in the tournament next summer.

Fair enough although it didnt really help the Swiss or Austria in 2008 and the tournament was still brilliant

[Marc Overmars]

Do they think the top seeds are likelier to get an easy group? This competition is arguably harder to win than the World Cup. So Poland and Ukraine will still probably end up in a group with a similar difficultly level if they had been in their natural pots.

[Coney]

Fair enough although it didnt really help the Swiss or Austria in 2008 and the tournament was still brilliant

Worked for us in '66.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fair enough although it didnt really help the Swiss or Austria in 2008 and the tournament was still brilliant

The definition of "brilliant" being, watching non-drying paint dry over a period of 2 weeks, in this case.