Wenger Out?

[Elreactor]

Still out of all competitions. Wait, well, still on the race for 4th place....

[Alpha]

well it's impossible to know what will come next, just like everything else. but to make an informed decision, you base it on previous and current performance. so when you keep going round in circles it makes sense to try something new.

all the off field stuff has nothing to do with the tactics, team selection and mental issues the team suffer far too much.

If the only reason to part with Wenger is to try something new without any assurance of success then I don't buy it . Arsenal is a big club going through a transitional period ( problems , lack of trophies..etc..) That can happen to any team before a revival . Chelsea spent 50 years without any major trophy , Man U was even relegated at a certain stage of their history . If we can get a better man to lead us to more succes ,I don't mind Arsene leaving . But I don't think there are too many out there who can manage Arsenal the Wenger way . As long as the Board are not ready to splash out cash then Wenger is still the man .

[Özim]

As someone has said we're out of all competitions (by February), for 6 years now we've failed to make the best of situations when well placed and every season the pattern is similar if not the same. I don't understand how people can think this will change, I've seen good runs at the end of a season before and all they've done is mask the problems that have been there for most of the season before that run.

If we do sign Podolski I'm not really sure if it's because we're half expecting RVP to go, doesn't he play in a similar role after all? We've heard about players not being for sale many times before but in the end they've gone so I take that with a pinch of salt.

If Wenger was at another club right now and he'd done what he has in the last 6 years we wouldn't go near him with a bargepole to manage us because he's kinda proven he can't achieve success these days.

[Cripps_orig]

No team has any assurances of success.

Only thing we are assured of is if Wenger stays then we will see the same shit over and over again til the day he goes. Seen it the last few years and we'll see it for a few more years yet. However if he goes then yes we might get worse, we might well do that. However we might also get better and as im a naturally optimistic guy, thats what i think will happen.

Point is, we are at a time where a risk has to be taken. If we settle for the shite we have now and yes it is shite always being the bridesmaid and never the bride then its only a matter of time before we go backwards.

As a great man once said, if we stand still, we go backwards

[Olivier's xmas twist]

As someone has said we're out of all competitions (by February), for 6 years now we've failed to make the best of situations when well placed and every season the pattern is similar if not the same. I don't understand how people can think this will change, I've seen good runs at the end of a season before and all they've done is mask the problems that have been there for most of the season before that run.

If we do sign Podolski I'm not really sure if it's because we're half expecting RVP to go, doesn't he play in a similar role after all? We've heard about players not being for sale many times before but in the end they've gone so I take that with a pinch of salt.

If Wenger was at another club right now and he'd done what he has in the last 6 years we wouldn't go near him with a bargepole to manage us because he's kinda proven he can't achieve success these days.

Very true and rightly so. But he has Achieved Success (yes not to me or you) but to those who matter the most his employers thats the problem. He has met their targets and in their eyes he has no failed.

If we had a Owner with ambition in the last 6 years do you think this would be allowed to happen. they should have given him a target of 2-3 years with PY annd thats all.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No team has any assurances of success.

Only thing we are assured of is if Wenger stays then we will see the same shit over and over again til the day he goes. Seen it the last few years and we'll see it for a few more years yet. However if he goes then yes we might get worse, we might well do that. However we might also get better and as im a naturally optimistic guy, thats what i think will happen.

Point is, we are at a time where a risk has to be taken. If we settle for the shite we have now and yes it is shite always being the bridesmaid and never the bride then its only a matter of time before we go backwards.

As a great man once said, if we stand still, we go backwards

Totally agree dude, now is the time to take that risk, The reason i want him out, has nothing do with trophies or spending big bucks. Its about not fixing the the problems we have. Like you say its gone on season after season same shite.

We going to get a new man sometime, might as well be now we have a solid base and let a new era begin.

We all know Wenger will leave one day anyway don't see why we can't take that risk now.

[Letters]

What bothers me about our fans is we think Wenger's success is extraordinary for a 'club like us'. Now don't get me wrong three titles and four fa cups along with many second places and generally being 'up there' is an excellent achievement and and my best memories are from this period but was it something you never saw Arsenal achieving, really?

Yes, really. We had a period of dominating English football once before. In the 1930s! It had been 60 years since then and while we'd always had trophies here and there the title in '89 was the first in 18 years and while we repeated it 2 years later by the mid-90s we were a very mid-table side who had some good Cup runs but never seriously looked like title contenders. So yes, winning 3 titles in 7 years and 2 of those being Double seasons (yes, we'd done it before but not for nearly 40 years and gave no indication of being able to repeat it although we were close in '91) was exceptional for the club in modern times.

Wenger can't live off that period of success forever of course and every season which goes by without a trophy more fans lose patience with him but to act like that period of success wasn't exceptional for our club is...well, it's just plain wrong. It was the best period since the 30s and not even Coney remembers that.

[Letters]

No team has any assurances of success.

Only thing we are assured of is if Wenger stays then we will see the same shit over and over again til the day he goes. Seen it the last few years and we'll see it for a few more years yet. However if he goes then yes we might get worse, we might well do that. However we might also get better and as im a naturally optimistic guy, thats what i think will happen.

Point is, we are at a time where a risk has to be taken. If we settle for the shite we have now and yes it is shite always being the bridesmaid and never the bride then its only a matter of time before we go backwards.

As a great man once said, if we stand still, we go backwards

What post would make a lot more sense if we were in mid-table right now as you predicted we'd be.

[Cripps_orig]

Totally agree dude, now is the time to take that risk, The reason i want him out, has nothing do with trophies or spending big bucks. Its about not fixing the the problems we have. Like you say its gone on season after season same shite.

We going to get a new man sometime, might as well be now we have a solid base and let a new era begin.

We all know Wenger will leave one day anyway don't see why we can't take that risk now.

:goodpost:

[Cripps_orig]

What post would make a lot more sense if we were in mid-table right now as you predicted we'd be.

RVP managed to stay fit and kept us in the running for top 4. Its a miracle he has and no one can predict miracles otherwise it wouldnt be a miracle.