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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Yes i did and even if i'd did not its NQ when is he ever Wrong?
    Impressive

    When hes talking about Theo, Wenger, Euro 2012, International tournaments and plenty of other times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Wenger is 100% correct in a limited sense and 100% wrong in that he avoids the bigger picture. When you take the cash it's a given you shut your mouth. If you knowingly work for a corrupt company that uses forced labour then you're complicit and a criminal. Arsenal is most certainly a corrupt company by any realistic definition - a few at the top who invest very little and extract the maximum to the detriment of the majority. Fraud and theft when you don't have friends who write the law. White collar crime vs blue collar crime. A blinkered world view can help disguise these facts. Most people prefer to brush knowing participation under a mental carpet, others have principles. Some people value ignorance and the peace of mind it brings, others have respect for themselves. Sagna is a whore, just like Wenger and just like (almost) anyone else who works for a corporation. The stated aim of a corporation is to maximise profits for the shareholders as a priority to all other considerations. Therefore, in most cases (there are a very few exceptions now mostly expired), modern corporations are the very definition of evil and indeed insanity. Few will appreciate this because few understand what profit and money really is. I don't want to come across as a **** and there's a definite danger I've failed in that, but isn't it about time people got educated about the world they live in? Corporations hoard profit and funnel it upwards (check the published financial and economic data since 1970 and prior to 1920 for proof beyond reasonable doubt, plus the regularity of the "accidental" boom-bust cycle prior to those dates). Corporations socialise harm (ditto). Anyone involved in this process is a criminal, from the tea lady through to the top officers. Lots of excuses can be made to forgive these simple facts but the excuses don't mitigate the harm. I wonder where Arsenal gets all those shirts and baubles sold in their shop? Enslaving people through criminal manipulation of the economy is self evidently evil. Man Utd have already been caught for this and done nothing, yes? So Wenger is correct in one respect. When you are part of a criminal enterprise you play along, keep up the pretence, make sure the game endures uninterrupted. Don't get greedy, wait for your turn at the trough. Sagna took the cash, he should shut his hole, bend over and take it up the arse because that's what he signed up for. That's what the cash is for. Poor **** is only a mediocre footballer so the money is not for that, right?

    Political Economy 101

    Fantastic post NQ, nailed it ....but you will be surprised, well you won't, but there are a lot of people ignorant to the game you've just laid bare here.

    Top top top quality post,...it's like a new signing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    but he was asked a question in a press conference. if he says no comment, then the press will go mad saying wenger refuses to answer sagna questions, must mean he is off etc.

    the best answer is the one he gave
    Sagna was probably asked about our the summer transfer dealings and he answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Sagna was probably asked about our the summer transfer dealings and he answered.
    He should not have. Or at least not in that way. I can't speak of my work to clients in a similar way, I'll get done for it.

    I'm not disagreeing with what Sagna said and there are many things I disagree with at work, but I don't share this with my clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Sagna was probably asked about our the summer transfer dealings and he answered.
    I swear Sagna Went to the media not the media came to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    He should not have. Or at least not in that way. I can't speak of my work to clients in a similar way, I'll get done for it.

    I'm not disagreeing with what Sagna said and there are many things I disagree with at work, but I don't share this with my clients.
    Well, he's probably past the point of caring. It's a common trend at the club and won't change unless the club changes. We relate this issue to work, but if a company has a high turn over and employees always leave on bad terms, you have to start looking at the management and environment at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Well, he's probably past the point of caring. It's a common trend at the club and won't change unless the club changes. We relate this issue to work, but if a company has a high turn over and employees always leave on bad terms, you have to start looking at the management and environment at some point.
    Keeping the work related trend here, it is all about keeping the shareholders happy - well Arsenal shareholders over the last 16 years are probably amongst the happiest in this country. Under-performing employees are rolling in it. And it is the management that have delivered it.

    Sucks to be a fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    Keeping the work related trend here, it is all about keeping the shareholders happy - well Arsenal shareholders over the last 16 years are probably amongst the happiest in this country. Under-performing employees are rolling in it. And it is the management that have delivered it.

    Sucks to be a fan.
    That's why we get this sort of backlash from players. We're on a road to nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That's why we get this sort of backlash from players. We're on a road to nowhere.
    The same players - Sagna among them that are earning more than they would anywhere else given their ability and achievements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    The same players - Sagna among them that are earning more than they would anywhere else given their ability and achievements.
    Despite popular belief, most players aren't just happy to sit there an win nothing whilst picking up their paycheck. Sure there are some that are but generally a good player will want to pick up trophies in his career.

    If you don't offer a chance of success money will only get you so far.

    We don't just lose our best players because of money, we lose them because we're happy with 4th place and aren't too bothered about success, they may well get a pay rise as well but that's not the main reason in most cases.

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