Exactly rightOriginally Posted by Letters
Yeah, you definitely wouldn't have criticised Wenger for the exact same thing...
Not you, Zim.
No I wouldn't, playing someone when they've just come back from injury is one thing, but if a player goes down gets up and says he's fine and then doesn't appear injured how is the manager suppose to know he's not ok?
It could be argued however that the clubs shouldn't be paying players these wages in the 1st place, maybe they would get compensation if players weren't so overpaid.
By doing what you're suggesting you'd effectively end up discriminating against players who are injury prone, because why would you pick a player who is more likely to get injured and going to cost you money?
It's always been the same and I don't see why it should change to be honest, all clubs have to deal with it, we've got a number of injury prone players we carry every year, should we not pay them when they injured as well, or ask them for compensation?
We get injuries regularly in our squad, I'm not surprised they get injured on International duty because some of these guys gets injured every other week at club level, it's not really anyone's fault, if you're injury prone you're injury prone, why should someone else have to pay up for that, especially when you choose to go and play (players don't have to play, they can opt out).
He's definitely made the same mistake in the past, but the difference is Wenger / Arsenal will cover his his wages if the injury happens while he's going about club business - this is basically about holding national teams to the same standards: if you're going to call players up for national duty, that's fine - just be aware of the risks, and be prepared to pay for it if you ignore them.
But Wenger isn't blaming the England medical staff either. He's saying almost the same thing as he said when Wilshere was layed off for a while.
Club football isn't the same as International football, you have to pay players to keep them in club football, at International level you pick players by nationality you have no say as to how much they get paid or what contracts they are on. Why should they pay someone's 100k wages just because the club had to overpay them.
The best you're going to get is for them to pay the wages for the time they are with the International team, not how long they are out if they get injured, if the player chooses to accept the invitation to play then he knows the risks, maybe he should pay since he's not obliged to go?
If I have a job and then go on holiday and break a leg, I get my sick leave and then don't get paid the rest of the time, same should apply to players outside club football, problem is these greedy so and so's won't agree to that.
Last edited by Özim; 07-03-2014 at 02:01 PM.
That's the other reason why I think no one ever claims for these things - the law might be on your side, but, as you say, the simple solution for the national sides would be to simply stop picking that player, do they probably hold off out of fear. I really don't think it would come to that though if anyone challenged it? I mean, we're not talking about having to cover a whole squad's wages for a whole season here - we're talking about one or two players' wages here and there for a few weeks. The FA have more than enough money to cover it, and they'll probably have insurance too. Plus they'll be making far more out of these players in endorsements than they'll ever lose in compensation, so I doubt it's in their best interests to start discriminating?
And, yes, clubs should absolutely pay their players wages when they get injured playing for them, and clubs DO carry on paying their players wages when they get injured playing for them. As I said above, this is simply about holding national sides to the same standards that every other employer in the land is held to...
How is the manager suppose to know he's not ok if he's coming back from injury, has passed the fitness tests and says he's OK?Exactly right
No I wouldn't, playing someone when they've just come back from injury is one thing, but if a player goes down gets up and says he's fine and then doesn't appear injured how is the manager suppose to know he's not ok?
You've definitely criticised Wenger for that.
Either way the player has to take some responsibility and be honest about whether he's OK to play.
I think clubs make enough money from the fans and even though a lot of money is made from International football, events like the World Cup is a treat for football fans. It wouldn't be right for already rich clubs to impede on that. I don't see the benefit of fines from a fans perspective. Would just mess up a really enjoyable event that only happens every so often.
Our case seemed very odd because Wilshere came back from international duty, player pre season games and then we discovered a problem much later. I would have thought some tests would have showed something wasn't right with his foot. That was disturbing. But Wilshere is an idiot. He already declared himself ok on Twitter for this recent injury but I'm not sure how they found something was wrong this time. Imagine he came back and played in one of out major games injured!
Someone coming back from injury needs to be brought back gradually, quite often when you bring someone back and play them they get injured immediately again as their body isn't use to the extertions being placed upon it yet, I think sometimes we throw them in too early and should maybe give them 15-20 mins at the end of a match and gradually increase that until the player is 100% back to full fitness.
Last edited by Özim; 07-03-2014 at 02:38 PM.
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