Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[Dein-machine]

You think that's as embarrassing as saying the whole football establishment is conspiring against you?



OK. We'll agree to disagree about that

Its what football managers do - have you never heard Wenger whinge about how the league have favoured Man Utd with fixtures etc in the past. He has been one of the biggest *******s in football over the past half a dozen years - its why other fans name him Arsene *******. Wasn't doing it so much when he was winning things but then in recent years he's needed to find other excuses - which ofcourse is what Mourinho has done lately once he realised the league was gone. Those things I can live with even Sir Alex did the same at times but when you come out with quotes like the "one accident doesn't make you a bad driver" after the tactical disasters this man continues to conjure up- its actually embarrassing to think that he believes anyone with a brain, even Gooners, don't find it laughable.

[Power n Glory]

It's hardly an irrelevance.

And yes yes, Liverpool. But let's see if they sustain it when they have a CL campaign and the pressure of being champions, especially if someone goes *yoink* and turns Suarez's head.

I do agree that it's not the only reason for our failings though.

Liverpool may finally win the league this year but they have won cups and the CL I between that period. Don't forget that.

It's a factor but it's used to mask our failures way too much.

[I am invisible]

i agree, cant stand mourinho and he sucks the life out of football. what makes it worse is that he will probably succeed with the tactic and then we have to watch it again in the final when they spawn there way to a win on penalties.

What makes it even worse still is that other clubs will then see it as the blueprint for success and adopt the same tactic - then we'll have to watch it every week, in every game we play (just like the dog shit sandwich we were left with the first time Mourinho took charge of Chelsea)!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I used to blame the financial downturn of 29 for poor performances when I managed Arsenal

[Letters]

I used to blame the financial downturn of 29 for poor performances when I managed Arsenal

[Letters]

Its what football managers do - have you never heard Wenger whinge about how the league have favoured Man Utd with fixtures etc in the past.

Of course, they all come out with a load of nonsense. I wouldn't saw Wenger any more than most although he is more high profile than most and, being Arsenal fans, we probably notice it with him more.

I don't think this is the biggest problem with Wenger, hardly worthy of comment at all really as they pretty much all do it. It seems to be used by those with an anti-Wenger agenda as another stick to beat him with though.

[Özim]

The amount of cringeworthy things Wenger has come out with over the years rivals any other manager, that's why people take the p*ss out of the "i did not see it" comments amongst other things, he does himself no favours.

You can get away with this to some extent if you're winning, but not if losing and after 9 years of it i've had enough of his patronising bs.

His comments reflect this blind faith he seems to have when it comes to his team as well.

[Power n Glory]

The amount of cringeworthy things Wenger has come out with over the years rivals any other manager, that's why people take the p*ss out of the "i did not see it" comments amongst other things, he does himself no favours.

You can get away with this to some extent if you're winning, but not if losing and after 9 years of it i've had enough of his patronising bs.

His comments reflect this blind faith he seems to have when it comes to his team as well.

That’s the part Letter’s fails to understand. When you haven’t won anything in 9 years, you can’t blame schedules, poor ref decisions or hair products for our ‘misfortunes’. You’ve got to delve deeper into the problems and come up with solid solutions. When you hear the same soundbites over and over again, followed by the same action or lack of action, I can only conclude there is some form of disconnect in Wenger’s mind to what’s really going on. You can’t argue the merits of consistently qualifying for the Champions League but pin the blame on luck and misfortune when we haven’t won anything for so long.

[Özim]

That’s the part Letter’s fails to understand. When you haven’t won anything in 9 years, you can’t blame schedules, poor ref decisions or hair products for our ‘misfortunes’. You’ve got to delve deeper into the problems and come up with solid solutions. When you hear the same soundbites over and over again, followed by the same action or lack of action, I can only conclude there is some form of disconnect in Wenger’s mind to what’s really going on. You can’t argue the merits of consistently qualifying for the Champions League but pin the blame on luck and misfortune when we haven’t won anything for so long.

Totally agree, if he said one thing and did another it wouldn't bother me so much, it's the fact his words echo what happens on the pitch which grate me, everytime he comes out with his usual comments it's confirmation he's not really going to be doing much to fix the problems as he see's them a minor glitches which will largely fix themselves.

I don't know why people fail to see this.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That’s the part Letter’s fails to understand. When you haven’t won anything in 9 years, you can’t blame schedules, poor ref decisions or hair products for our ‘misfortunes’. You’ve got to delve deeper into the problems and come up with solid solutions. When you hear the same soundbites over and over again, followed by the same action or lack of action, I can only conclude there is some form of disconnect in Wenger’s mind to what’s really going on. You can’t argue the merits of consistently qualifying for the Champions League but pin the blame on luck and misfortune when we haven’t won anything for so long.

I don't think anything Wenger says or doesn't say to the press has any bearing or significance to his performance as manager. If I was in his situation I'd give them the same bland robotic sound bytes that he does, plus even if you acknowledge that big defeats are your fault I don't see there is anything to be gained by admitting this to the media as if they are some impartial confidant who won't use your own words against you.