Wenger Referendum IV

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Most fans have been asleep at the wheel. The whole ‘financial doping’ argument is what most people fed into and it started the whole anti Ivan+Kroenke thing. For a long time, the perception was that we didn’t have money to spend and the Board were taking the flack for that. When the manager has complete control of the technical side and claims he’s being held back by our finances, it creates the perception that the Board are useless with the fans and kept the managers shortcomings out of the conversation. People would have gone nuts at the Board if he were sacked earlier.

Also, they’re not going to do that whilst trying to negotiate new sponsorship deals and after just moving to a new stadium. They had total faith in Wenger, like most fans, and probably convinced that he needed more money to spend. Hence, the mission to boost our revenue. That day has arrived and he’s fallen flat even with more money to spend. I suspect Ivan knew Wenger was full of shit ages when he said the fans determine Wenger’s job. I doubt short term success (trophies) is on the Board’s mind. If we’re happy with 4th every year, why change it?

The fans aren't responsible for the running of the club, they can only go with what they are told by the club

Which was to promise Gold and deliver Tin

Being asleep at the wheel i would say is a failure to pre-empt this kind of season coming, it's been content to kick the issue into the long grass

The issue is not as Binary as whether Wenger should have been sacked earlier or not, but it's a bit like Brown talking about the end of boom and bust and standing back from an unregulated, irresponsible market place that was doomed to crash as a result of it's hubris.

[selassie]

Most fans have been asleep at the wheel. The whole ‘financial doping’ argument is what most people fed into and it started the whole anti Ivan+Kroenke thing. For a long time, the perception was that we didn’t have money to spend and the Board were taking the flack for that. When the manager has complete control of the technical side and claims he’s being held back by our finances, it creates the perception that the Board are useless with the fans and kept the managers shortcomings out of the conversation. People would have gone nuts at the Board if he were sacked earlier.

Also, they’re not going to do that whilst trying to negotiate new sponsorship deals and after just moving to a new stadium. They had total faith in Wenger, like most fans, and probably convinced that he needed more money to spend. Hence, the mission to boost our revenue. That day has arrived and he’s fallen flat even with more money to spend. I suspect Ivan knew Wenger was full of shit ages when he said the fans determine Wenger’s job. I doubt short term success (trophies) is on the Board’s mind. If we’re happy with 4th every year, why change it?

Yep, I actually think Gazidis is throwing enough rope for Wenger to hang. Gazidis has been very calculated in his statements this year and each one has had quite a strong meaning behind it.

Gazidis knows Wenger doesn't have any credit left so is subtly firing the bullets his way.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's doing a lot more than digging his heels in. He's declaring himself to be in control - "That's it!"

And to the point raised by HCZ on Wenger relenting if somebody on the board suddenly sprouts testicles, yes I think Wenger would back down too. Just to stay in the job. He's already shown how desperate beyond measure he is. But then he'd spend his time undermining the new guy. There's no upside to Wenger staying under any circumstances. There's nothing that can be done to mitigate him staying.

[Power n Glory]

The fans aren't responsible for the running of the club, they can only go with what they are told by the club

Which was to promise Gold and deliver Tin

Being asleep at the wheel i would say is a failure to pre-empt this kind of season coming, it's been content to kick the issue into the long grass

The issue is not as Binary as whether Wenger should have been sacked earlier or not, but it's a bit like Brown talking about the end of boom and bust and standing back from an unregulated, irresponsible market place that was doomed to crash as a result of it's hubris.

No board is able to pre-empt a disastrous season. They can only react. The fans aren’t responsible for running the club but for all the years of failure being blamed on ‘financial doping’, I can see why the focus exclusively on boosting our revenue and profile. At most clubs, when the fans turn against the manager, the manager will lose their job unless he turns it around.

[selassie]

He's doing a lot more than digging his heels in. He's declaring himself to be in control - "That's it!"

And to the point raised by HCZ on Wenger relenting if somebody on the board suddenly sprouts testicles, yes I think Wenger would back down too. Just to stay in the job. He's already shown how desperate beyond measure he is. But then he'd spend his time undermining the new guy. There's no upside to Wenger staying under any circumstances. There's nothing that can be done to mitigate him staying.

Of course, there is definitely a power struggle going on between him and Gazidis, quite sad really because if we were run like a proper football club then Gazidis or someone on the board would tell him to do as he is told or go and find another job.

Wenger is in no position to dictate, he is the manager of the football club not the owner.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course, there is definitely a power struggle going on between him and Gazidis, quite sad really because if we were run like a proper football club then Gazidis or someone on the board would tell him to do as he is told or go and find another job.

Wenger is in no position to dictate, he is the manager of the football club not the owner.

But we aren't run as a proper football club and if Wenger somehow manages to fall into another 4th place finish and the golden goose delivers what the moneymen want, yet again, I'm sure he'll be permitted as many indulgences as he demands.

[Letters]

Would be kinda funny if we STILL finish top 4

[Niall_Quinn]

Would be kinda funny if we STILL finish top 4

Liverpool will have to have an epic blow-out for us to grab that spot. I think they finish off against Boro too, who have just been relegated.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't see us winning all 4 games and City or Liverpool dropping the points required. But yeah it would be hilarious and probably WUMger's finest hour.

Europa League for us. At least we may go beyond the 2nd round in that. I wonder if they'll have the cheek to make any EL games category A.

[Özim]

If we win all our games and Liverpool draw we get in the CL, they're away to West Ham next so it's not impossible. We do have to beat Southampton and Stoke away though and Everton at home.

Frankly we don't deserve top 4 because we've been dreadful this season, the fact we're still in with a chance highlights the lack of quality in the league, other than Chelsea and Spurs the league is poor, Guardiola is doing an awful job at City and Klopp after a bright start this season is finding it hard to get his team to perform, though IMO Liverpool lack quality which they may be able to address this summer if they qualify for the CL.