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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    Did anyone listen to The Guardian football podcast on thursday? A writter called Philipe o clair (no idea how to spell his name, but he is french) was asked about Wengers commentry on french tv. He said he was very bland, and didnt seem to have any idea on tactics, he said David Pleat has more knoledge on the subject! This seems a real worry.
    That doesn't surprise me. Whenever Wenger does a press conference and talks about our performance as a team he always talks about our mental state or fitness. I get the impression he thinks our problems always boil down to these two things. If we miss chances or concede goals it's always a mental or fitness issue, never technical. If it's neither of those, we were unlucky or the decisions went against us. It makes me wonder.

    Just finished watching City play and the way Mancini has set up his team...why can't Wenger try that formation? RVP playing behind Theo, or Arshavin playing behind RVP like how Augero and Tevez/Dzeko play? Nasri has already beaten his assist record for last season and Clichy is actually getting across the line and putting in decent crosses for a change. A month with a different coach and they're looking better already. They've got a solid midfield and great attacking midfield players and you can see Nasri, Silva and Aguero linking up to create a move from the centre and just in the final third. We don't have that any more. I can't remember the last time we've hit a team with a 3 touch pass move or seen a great flurry of play from 3-4 individuals playing on the same wavelength. It's all individual solo efforts or one great pass that puts a man through. That telekinetic passing and movement is gone.

    I've lost a lot of respect for Wenger. He's becoming some sort of New Age, Feng Shui motivational speaking Guru of some sorts. All this focus on mental preparation. Creating the right sort of environment for the players by building corner-less dressing rooms, allowing them to dress how they want during games, hiring psychologists to test players on their mental strength....I mean what the heck? I wouldn't be surprised if after a loss he's got them taking herbal baths, burning incense and chanting 'woosah' mantras like a synchronised choir (see Bad Boys 2).

    Jokes aside, he has to change this up. We'd get a lot more out of Arshavin if he played behind the striker and in the hole. We'd get a lot more from Theo if he played as a striker or on the left where he's cutting in to take shots on goal. RVP would play a lot better with a strike partner...even Chamakh would benefit from playing with a strike partner. There was no need to play that formation against Swansea. He needs to start reacting to the situation on the pitch and look for weaknesses but that's like asking a leopard to change his spots. We need our best 3-4 players to start linking up and understanding each others runs and movement.

    Yesterday, we had RVP running around like a headless chicken trying to hang on the shoulders of defenders, but he doesn't have the patience for that sort of play so when he doesn't get the pass, he's sprinting towards the other end of the pitch with arms wailing and shouting for the ball, or dropping deep looking for a ball to feet. He can't play like that when he's the lone striker. It causes confusion and he's not getting the ball because nobody is able to read his movements because it's so erratic and random.

    Theo was bloody awful. His dribbling is terrible and Wenger has to get him off the right wing before he breaks something. I watched the idiot charge straight into a defender with the ball on countless occasions. He can't beat his man or take them down the line. When he does, the cross is either awful or nobody is in there because we've got RVP doing his buzzy bee impression and bouncing all over the pitch. Sagna put in a good cross for RVP that should have been a goal but the idiot checked his run instead of doing what a striker is supposed to do and make a run for the back post! Idiot. Anyway, back to Theo....put him on the left or get him up front. He's useless on the right wing and when he gets into the box from the right and he's bending shots wide or being forced to hit them with his left foot. On the left, he wouldn't have that problem. His dribbling style would be more effective because he's taking wing backs on to their weaker foot where they are uncomfortable and he'd probably get a lot more goals.

    Arshavin....looked decent and back to his old self. But this guy should be playing in a more central role. He hasn't got the legs for the wings, one touch passing doesn't work that well on the flanks and he needs passing options. If he's in the centre for us, I imagine him operating a bit more like David Silva. He'd be able to pick out a pass for RVP, Theo or whoever with ease. He has the vision and guts to try that killer pass. Ramsey doesn't have it. Arteta looks like the man that can add some passing flair to our game, but until Wilshere gets back, take Ramsey out of the team and let Arteta and Arshavin work together in the middle. the little fat Russian put his fair share of tackles in yesterday. He doesn't have to do all the tracking back but let him play behind the striker with more freedom. I can see him that Wenger has given Theo, RVP and Arshavin freedom to roam but all three of them are confused at the moment and it's a mess. They need direction from Wenger. He can't sit there and try to let them work things out for themselves. They all look very frustrated at the moment and they're not enjoying their football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That doesn't surprise me. Whenever Wenger does a press conference and talks about our performance as a team he always talks about our mental state or fitness. I get the impression he thinks our problems always boil down to these two things. If we miss chances or concede goals it's always a mental or fitness issue, never technical. If it's neither of those, we were unlucky or the decisions went against us. It makes me wonder.

    Just finished watching City play and the way Mancini has set up his team...why can't Wenger try that formation? RVP playing behind Theo, or Arshavin playing behind RVP like how Augero and Tevez/Dzeko play? Nasri has already beaten his assist record for last season and Clichy is actually getting across the line and putting in decent crosses for a change. A month with a different coach and they're looking better already. They've got a solid midfield and great attacking midfield players and you can see Nasri, Silva and Aguero linking up to create a move from the centre and just in the final third. We don't have that any more. I can't remember the last time we've hit a team with a 3 touch pass move or seen a great flurry of play from 3-4 individuals playing on the same wavelength. It's all individual solo efforts or one great pass that puts a man through. That telekinetic passing and movement is gone.

    I've lost a lot of respect for Wenger. He's becoming some sort of New Age, Feng Shui motivational speaking Guru of some sorts. All this focus on mental preparation. Creating the right sort of environment for the players by building corner-less dressing rooms, allowing them to dress how they want during games, hiring psychologists to test players on their mental strength....I mean what the heck? I wouldn't be surprised if after a loss he's got them taking herbal baths, burning incense and chanting 'woosah' mantras like a synchronised choir (see Bad Boys 2).

    Jokes aside, he has to change this up. We'd get a lot more out of Arshavin if he played behind the striker and in the hole. We'd get a lot more from Theo if he played as a striker or on the left where he's cutting in to take shots on goal. RVP would play a lot better with a strike partner...even Chamakh would benefit from playing with a strike partner. There was no need to play that formation against Swansea. He needs to start reacting to the situation on the pitch and look for weaknesses but that's like asking a leopard to change his spots. We need our best 3-4 players to start linking up and understanding each others runs and movement.

    Yesterday, we had RVP running around like a headless chicken trying to hang on the shoulders of defenders, but he doesn't have the patience for that sort of play so when he doesn't get the pass, he's sprinting towards the other end of the pitch with arms wailing and shouting for the ball, or dropping deep looking for a ball to feet. He can't play like that when he's the lone striker. It causes confusion and he's not getting the ball because nobody is able to read his movements because it's so erratic and random.

    Theo was bloody awful. His dribbling is terrible and Wenger has to get him off the right wing before he breaks something. I watched the idiot charge straight into a defender with the ball on countless occasions. He can't beat his man or take them down the line. When he does, the cross is either awful or nobody is in there because we've got RVP doing his buzzy bee impression and bouncing all over the pitch. Sagna put in a good cross for RVP that should have been a goal but the idiot checked his run instead of doing what a striker is supposed to do and make a run for the back post! Idiot. Anyway, back to Theo....put him on the left or get him up front. He's useless on the right wing and when he gets into the box from the right and he's bending shots wide or being forced to hit them with his left foot. On the left, he wouldn't have that problem. His dribbling style would be more effective because he's taking wing backs on to their weaker foot where they are uncomfortable and he'd probably get a lot more goals.

    Arshavin....looked decent and back to his old self. But this guy should be playing in a more central role. He hasn't got the legs for the wings, one touch passing doesn't work that well on the flanks and he needs passing options. If he's in the centre for us, I imagine him operating a bit more like David Silva. He'd be able to pick out a pass for RVP, Theo or whoever with ease. He has the vision and guts to try that killer pass. Ramsey doesn't have it. Arteta looks like the man that can add some passing flair to our game, but until Wilshere gets back, take Ramsey out of the team and let Arteta and Arshavin work together in the middle. the little fat Russian put his fair share of tackles in yesterday. He doesn't have to do all the tracking back but let him play behind the striker with more freedom. I can see him that Wenger has given Theo, RVP and Arshavin freedom to roam but all three of them are confused at the moment and it's a mess. They need direction from Wenger. He can't sit there and try to let them work things out for themselves. They all look very frustrated at the moment and they're not enjoying their football.
    I may have been away for a while but I'm glad to see the standard of posts on GW hasn't dropped. May not evoke much debate but I'm completely in agreement. I wasn't at the game but the lack of direction we have up front is extremely worrying. There's no invention and that's because there's no organisation. Arshavin, Theo and RVP should be interchanging positions to the extent that they KNOW exactly where the others are in the final third and where they're moving next. Set moves should be suggested to them so a return to the days where 2-3 passes would result in a scoring opportunity. Arteta I feel, could potentially be a major part of this but only time will tell. Once Gervinho returns, I feel we may get a bit more direction, been very impressed with his willingness to take on the man from his limited appearances this season. Once he comes back, Arshavin's game would be more suited to a central role where he can influence the game more. He seems to me to get disinterested in a match when he doesn't receive the ball for a while, a common occurrence for a winger in a team that doesn't send in many crosses. Get him in the middle and USE his bloody creativity and vision that he evidently still possesses. I'm sure that would allow Theo and RVP to have more liberal roles within the team and this would increase our attacking threat that has been blunted for the last couple of seasons.

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    My ratings:

    Szczesny 6,5 great save on Graham but got out bad in the last minute and could have cost us.

    Sagna 5,5 Sinclair got past him too many times to my liking. we were lucky that they played him few times.

    Mertesacker 6 he knows his own limits and does not overdo.

    Koscielny 6 quick and anticipates well.

    Gibbs 5,5 Looked sloppy in marking and passing. Good cross for Chamakh.

    Frimpong 5 passing was poor, tackling was good but recklessness always round the corner.

    Ramsey 5 fails to convert a golden chance early on then plays below par and at a snail's pace. In the dying mins on a counter he has the chance to assist 3 Arsenal players but gives it away to the only Swansea player in the whole of Islington.

    Walcott 5 gets a silly booking and always falls over when running and his opponent tackles him. Ludicrous.

    Arteta 5,5 starts quite well then vanishes quite soon.

    Arshavin 6,5 had a quite good game in terms of pace, passing and movement. The goal wasn't as easy as it looked.

    Van Persie 5 did very little to get a good mark. hits the post with a right foot shot.

    Benayoun 5 brings much-needed movement but very little spark.

    Coquelin and Chamakh played a cameo
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    http://www.7amkickoff.com/2011/mikel...87amkickoff%29

    Excellent report on the game. Only thing I'd disagree with is which of our defenders opponents will target. Reckon they'll try to exploit Mertesacker's lack of pace instead of Koscielny.

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    Mertersacker's pace was always going to be a problem against teams with pacey forwards, they actually showed 2 examples where his lack of pace caused us some problems on MOTD yesterday, this is despite Swansea really not offering much up front and not having too much pace, this is what I'm concerned about.

    Koscielny is a bit of a liability having said that.

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    Going back to PnG's post which I thought was stop on. . . .I watched UTDs game and what Rooney does, he breaks off comes out of the area to collect and passes the ball out wide, give and go and when Rooney goes he fucking goes!
    breaks his neck to be in the area, the one to be on the end of the cross he set up. . . .nibidy really does that for us, sire RvP drops back, picks up the ball but theres not directness, we give the ball out wide, just for it to be played back or along the edge of the area. If a cross comes in there is no one on the end.

    Theo is not a winger, that fact is obvious by the way he runs at people and the simple fact he never takes corners, OK taking corners doesnt have quantify winger but it does highlight that he is shit at crossing and hes not the only one that knows it.
    We dont have the quality and probably never did, well not enough to consistantly play pretty football, so we need to go back to direct basics and two up front is where we start, I agree with PnG Theo in front of RvP or Arshavin playing behind.
    Theo does have pace and running on to the ball rather tjan with it would be right up his street, will have to work on his finishing but with a couple of goals, confidence would come and I think we could have the beginnings of a handy strike force.
    TBH Chamak would be better with a playing partner, being the lone striker requires a high degree of intelligence snd I am afraid our dear Moroccan (please finish this for me NQ). RvP is finding this system difficult has he does not have the likes of Cesc/Nas anymore.
    Chamak just needs the ball played into his head and to pick up pieces not to create his own chances, this is where a more direct style would be suitable, utilise the wings, with Gerbs coming back this could be our chance.
    I would say 442, the front two playing around esch other, it may mean Andy stays out wide but he needs to contribute more, I dont agree he is back to his old self unless you mean he was crap, the guy needs to get back up after losing the ball, sure he puts a tsckle in from time yo time that gets the crowd going but ot aint enough. Sometimes lsziness can be forgiven because of genius shown at the opposite end but we dont get that from him either, played out of position, maybe so but in our curtent situation, 1 nil wins against newly promoted teams, it is battlers not bottlers I want to see in Gooner red and white

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    Getting 3 points here was essential but it was a worryingly poor performance. I though we started brightly enough (and Ramsey should’ve scored his early chance) but the whole mood changed as soon as Swansea had a shot on goal. From the players to the fans the nerves kicked in immediately. IMO one of Wenger’s biggest flaws is his inability to raise a team when they are down. Confidence levels amongst the players are so low right now it’s unbelievable. There’s no drive and positive momentum at all at the moment – the players look so shit scared of loosing possession that they choose the ‘safe’ option and pass sideways and backwards and just generally slow the game down. Shite, unimaginative football.

    And we need a big shake up tactically ASAP. For a start, ditch this 4-5-1 bollocks for a 4-4-2 and get someone up top alongside RVP so we might actually look like we could create a goal scoring opportunity!

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    Was away for the weekend i had time to read some of this thread but not surprised by the reaction. Can someone just tell me how Arshy did, i heard quite abit about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnerFan4Life View Post
    Was away for the weekend i had time to read some of this thread but not surprised by the reaction. Can someone just tell me how Arshy did, i heard quite abit about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That doesn't surprise me. Whenever Wenger does a press conference and talks about our performance as a team he always talks about our mental state or fitness. I get the impression he thinks our problems always boil down to these two things. If we miss chances or concede goals it's always a mental or fitness issue, never technical. If it's neither of those, we were unlucky or the decisions went against us. It makes me wonder.

    Just finished watching City play and the way Mancini has set up his team...why can't Wenger try that formation? RVP playing behind Theo, or Arshavin playing behind RVP like how Augero and Tevez/Dzeko play? Nasri has already beaten his assist record for last season and Clichy is actually getting across the line and putting in decent crosses for a change. A month with a different coach and they're looking better already. They've got a solid midfield and great attacking midfield players and you can see Nasri, Silva and Aguero linking up to create a move from the centre and just in the final third. We don't have that any more. I can't remember the last time we've hit a team with a 3 touch pass move or seen a great flurry of play from 3-4 individuals playing on the same wavelength. It's all individual solo efforts or one great pass that puts a man through. That telekinetic passing and movement is gone.

    I've lost a lot of respect for Wenger. He's becoming some sort of New Age, Feng Shui motivational speaking Guru of some sorts. All this focus on mental preparation. Creating the right sort of environment for the players by building corner-less dressing rooms, allowing them to dress how they want during games, hiring psychologists to test players on their mental strength....I mean what the heck? I wouldn't be surprised if after a loss he's got them taking herbal baths, burning incense and chanting 'woosah' mantras like a synchronised choir (see Bad Boys 2).

    Jokes aside, he has to change this up. We'd get a lot more out of Arshavin if he played behind the striker and in the hole. We'd get a lot more from Theo if he played as a striker or on the left where he's cutting in to take shots on goal. RVP would play a lot better with a strike partner...even Chamakh would benefit from playing with a strike partner. There was no need to play that formation against Swansea. He needs to start reacting to the situation on the pitch and look for weaknesses but that's like asking a leopard to change his spots. We need our best 3-4 players to start linking up and understanding each others runs and movement.

    Yesterday, we had RVP running around like a headless chicken trying to hang on the shoulders of defenders, but he doesn't have the patience for that sort of play so when he doesn't get the pass, he's sprinting towards the other end of the pitch with arms wailing and shouting for the ball, or dropping deep looking for a ball to feet. He can't play like that when he's the lone striker. It causes confusion and he's not getting the ball because nobody is able to read his movements because it's so erratic and random.

    Theo was bloody awful. His dribbling is terrible and Wenger has to get him off the right wing before he breaks something. I watched the idiot charge straight into a defender with the ball on countless occasions. He can't beat his man or take them down the line. When he does, the cross is either awful or nobody is in there because we've got RVP doing his buzzy bee impression and bouncing all over the pitch. Sagna put in a good cross for RVP that should have been a goal but the idiot checked his run instead of doing what a striker is supposed to do and make a run for the back post! Idiot. Anyway, back to Theo....put him on the left or get him up front. He's useless on the right wing and when he gets into the box from the right and he's bending shots wide or being forced to hit them with his left foot. On the left, he wouldn't have that problem. His dribbling style would be more effective because he's taking wing backs on to their weaker foot where they are uncomfortable and he'd probably get a lot more goals.

    Arshavin....looked decent and back to his old self. But this guy should be playing in a more central role. He hasn't got the legs for the wings, one touch passing doesn't work that well on the flanks and he needs passing options. If he's in the centre for us, I imagine him operating a bit more like David Silva. He'd be able to pick out a pass for RVP, Theo or whoever with ease. He has the vision and guts to try that killer pass. Ramsey doesn't have it. Arteta looks like the man that can add some passing flair to our game, but until Wilshere gets back, take Ramsey out of the team and let Arteta and Arshavin work together in the middle. the little fat Russian put his fair share of tackles in yesterday. He doesn't have to do all the tracking back but let him play behind the striker with more freedom. I can see him that Wenger has given Theo, RVP and Arshavin freedom to roam but all three of them are confused at the moment and it's a mess. They need direction from Wenger. He can't sit there and try to let them work things out for themselves. They all look very frustrated at the moment and they're not enjoying their football.
    - Particularly the highlighted text. I can see why AW opted for a 'safety first' approach with the tried and tested set up on Saturday - but it was Swansea, and it nearly backfired. I want to see our players helped to be as good as they can be; to do what they are best at, and to be helped to deal with the opposition by being shown their strengths and weaknesses, and being given the tactical tools to make it work. I'm not surprised that our players aren't playing with any bounce, when there is so little movement - so little going on when we go forward. Makes me wonder how much the Invincibles did for themselves...
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