Wenger Referendum IV

[KSE Comedy Club]

Sure. As am I. And I think the level of abuse he's got on here is over the top.

Its football though, it comes with the territory and as I have said on here before, there are a huge hunk of people that are a bit more blasé with how they throw about some words and don't actually mean them with as much vitriol as they are intended. Its just sounding off after being wound up for so long.

Also, he really hasn't had anywhere near the level of abuse that some managers get but he has brought all of it on himself through his own blind arrogance.

[KSE Comedy Club]

OK. And I'm talking about what I see on here.

The last page of posts is why this place is so rubbish and decent debate is next to impossible. I have consistently said Wenger needs to go regardless of the Cup Final result. Said it before the game, said it since. He has failed to challenge for the biggest prizes and with our resources that isn't good enough. But wanting him out isn't enough now. because I think posts like this:



Are over the top, I now apparently think "Wenger has been scanning forums and Twitter". (Didn't say or imply that).
I "dive in and starts on anyone who says he should go." (No, all I said is things like the above are OTT which it clearly is)
I "stick [my] tongue right up Wenger's hole". (Not quite sure how saying posts like the above are OTT is doing that, but OK)
I'm "reverting to type" and am a "Wengerite". (I don't even know what that means).
And I'm a "Wenger worshipping twat". Again, I just said I think posts like the above are OTT.

I agree with HCZ that you're not going to get much high brow discourse on here but people surely have the ability to have more nuanced views than the only two possible opinions are either that Wenger is a...all the things mentioned in the post I've quoted above or he's the best manager ever, a brilliant human being and I'd have children with him if I could. Do people really think those are the only two possible positions and if I don't think the former then I must think the latter?

It's pretty pathetic tbh.

FFS mate!

Its a bloody football forum!

I think we have all had some brilliantly fascinating and interesting debates on here over the years - but there is really nothing left to debate to a high level as we have spent the last 5 years going round in circles and discussing the same things.
Until we see major changes at the club we are all resided to the fact that we will see the same results.

People digging you out (whilst probably justified ) is just for a laugh and a bit of fun to alleviate the immense sense of dissatisfaction, anger, disappointment & inevitability that we are all feeling under the latter part of the Wenger era.
We have been there, done that and worn the T shirt.

Up until recently, Wenger has had it pretty easy from us fans tbh. Other fans rip their failing managers to shreds to the point that they actually get sent death threats to force them out. A bit of nasty vitriol on a forum is hardly the same thing. What has made it worse now, is that even in the face of defeat & at the point where he should do the right thing and walk away - he is commenting on & trying to blame us fans for his failure.

IMO most of the comments on here is more banter and 'tongue in cheek' despite what we all want, & sometimes I think you are being a bit too precious
- but I'm sorry to say that for Wenger now (and going forward if he stays).... the gloves are off, anything goes.

[Letters]

A lot of it has been brought on by himself and actually I don't think protests in the ground have been over the top or disrespectful. Hiring planes with banners is a bit much!
It's just on here it's got more and more extreme. Yes, football is an emotional business so I understand the frustration but it has got OTT. It's pretty tiresome that I can't say so without then being called a Wengerite (whatever that means) and all the other nonsense in the last page or so of posts.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Why not try and give yourself some comfort that at least it is being spouted on here and not at the emirates & in the stands.
We are all pissed off but at least we have done it in a respectable way, when & where it matters

Don't take it to heart so much Letters, there's a fairly broad scope of fans on GW and everyone has there own ideas of what is acceptable to be said about Wenger - it's not about you

(Wengerite = someone who follows wenger no matter what. other synonyms: AKB's, Ty) see, its just for laugh

[Letters]

Hmm. But Ty is a moran. He really IS a Wengerite. And I think you'll find a WOB is the opposite of a Wengerite - isn't it the Wenger Out Brigade which I guess I am now a member of.
NQ implied above that I'm lying about that. I really don't know why I would bother do so. Does he think I'm trying to infiltrate the WOBs to take them down from the inside?

[GP]

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[Letters]

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Wengerite! Stone him! He's licking Wenger's (admittedly tasty) hole. Booooo!



Am I doing this right?

[Niall_Quinn]

A lot of it has been brought on by himself and actually I don't think protests in the ground have been over the top or disrespectful. Hiring planes with banners is a bit much!
It's just on here it's got more and more extreme. Yes, football is an emotional business so I understand the frustration but it has got OTT. It's pretty tiresome that I can't say so without then being called a Wengerite (whatever that means) and all the other nonsense in the last page or so of posts.

Why did you even bring it up at all? We were all here celebrating the win. I put up a post about this when one of those media twats tried to spoil the day by going on about the negatives. "I agree with Wenger", I said - that media twat should fuck off, leave it alone for a day. You agreed. So what changed?

Wenger himself decided he'd open up the whole issue with his "poor me" ramblings and you jumped on that and said you agreed with him. That's after you agreed with the whole fucking thing being dropped so we could celebrate a cup win.

Then you changed your story again when people reminded you how little disrespect, relatively speaking, Wenger has actually suffered. It went from what Wenger perceives as disrespect, which certainly would not involve reading GW and backwater Twitter feeds, to you highlighting the disrespect being shown on this particular forum. What does that have to do with what Wenger was moaning about? Nothing. It's just you shifting the goalposts.

You always seem to want to be the reasonable, rational, moderate guy who agrees with both sides of every debate. Fine, there's nothing wrong with reasonable and rational, but only when there's some sort of context. Rationality is irrelevant when it is not applied in context. It can't exist in a vacuum, like some social prize that is tangible in its own right. In truth, Wenger moaning about the fans is neither reasonable nor rational. What it is is totally unreasonable and entirely irrational when taken in the context of the season we have just witnessed, let alone all the other seasons that have gone before. He's talking shit. And even with him talking shit, it was left. So we could celebrate a cup win. Left until you dived in and dug it all up. When you got slapped back for shitting in the middle of the celebrations you then threw up your hands in exasperation and said, look at these people - so unreasonable, so irrational.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wengerite! Stone him! He's licking Wenger's (admittedly tasty) hole. Booooo!



Am I doing this right?

No, the general consensus appears to suggest you're being a complete arse.

[Letters]

Why did you even bring it up at all?

I didn't. PnG posted a BBC link about Wenger's views on his treatment from the fans. I simply replied to that.