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    Maccy should apply to be on the medical team at the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post


    Dunno tbh. From arse.com, they're saying it like it's a common occurance when recovering from injuries of this type....

    Maybe they couldn't prevent it, that it was a risk etc....but that if he didn't get back running and weight-bearing, we might as well just leave him to find another job.

    There is something wrong at the club though. The amount of injuries we sustain is beyond a joke, no doubt about it....
    I'd have thought it being an ankle injury would be enough to be as cautious as possible. There's only one way you can 'stress' it and that's by doing too much. It could be that he took it upon himself to do as much training as possible, footballers have a tendency to be dim.

    I think there probably is something inherently wrong with how we do things but it's also compounded with the league we play in. We haven't been able to play a first XI since 2004, it's just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    In any case I don't really want to get bogged down in a compare and contrast with those players because that doesn't really preclude from the possibility of being a mismanagement in Wilshere's case.
    Well no, it doesn't. Just making the point that there are a couple of examples where the medical team did a pretty good job which does preclude them being a load of incompetent idiots. None of us know what's gone on with Wilshere of course or whether different medical staff would have done a better job.

    There clearly is an issue with our injury record. How much of that is down to the medical staff and how much down to over-playing or the type of player Wenger tends to go for (smaller, more technical players who are perhaps more likely to get clobbered) and how much down to just plain back luck we can't really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Maccy should apply to be on the medical team at the club.
    non-Lewins need not apply.

    Be the best.

    Arsenal medical team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Well no, it doesn't. Just making the point that there are a couple of examples where the medical team did a pretty good job which does preclude them being a load of incompetent idiots. None of us know what's gone on with Wilshere of course or whether different medical staff would have done a better job.

    There clearly is an issue with our injury record. How much of that is down to the medical staff and how much down to over-playing or the type of player Wenger tends to go for (smaller, more technical players who are perhaps more likely to get clobbered) and how much down to just plain back luck we can't really know.
    Unfortunately those examples are 2008 and 2010 respectively and with (barring permanent disability) the worst injuries a footballer can get. What am I saying is, they've done well when it comes to those heightened injuries which though horrible are rare (after they've had surgery elsewhere of course) but the ones where it might be more 'common' wear and tear, it's an area we're quite possibly lacking in.

    None of us know for sure of course but then that's the case for nearly everything that happens in football, politics whatever. I'm making the 'judgement' on what I can see; I could be wrong, I could be completely wrong but my intuition tells me that I'm not.

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    I find it impossible to believe that an organisation such as ours would have incompetent people in our medical team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    I find it impossible to believe that an organisation such as ours would have incompetent people in our medical team.
    It doesn't have to be incompetence, for one (if LDG and Letters are right) it could be misunderstanding a footballer's mentality, focusing on the injury they've got rather than the player who has it - I mean we all know that despite the money they can earn for doing nothing, footballers hate not playing.

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    So is he out for the season or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    So is he out for the season or not
    As it stands, no. In a couple of weeks it's supposed to be known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Unfortunately those examples are 2008 and 2010 respectively and with (barring permanent disability) the worst injuries a footballer can get. What am I saying is, they've done well when it comes to those heightened injuries which though horrible are rare (after they've had surgery elsewhere of course) but the ones where it might be more 'common' wear and tear, it's an area we're quite possibly lacking in.
    No doubt about it. If I wasn't so lazy (and even geekier than I am now) I'd track down a list of proposed comeback dates at time of injury and actual comeback date. Actually, I tried it once but gave up. We are consistently topping the injury table and while some of it may be bad luck, some of it clearly isn't. What I want to know is why there isn't enough talk about this. The manager has to answer to a shit substitution and tactical failings on the pitch - but why is he never asked the question of injuries? Instead he keeps using it as an excuse to suggest things will pick up ("We still have x,y,z to come back from injury..." etc.).

    Not enough weight is being put on The no. 1 problem at the club™ and we need to drum up some interest. I'll get started on the powerpoint presentation, you sort out the flyers.

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