Should Wenger go?

[Coney]

He could easily earn more elsewhere so I'm not convinced by that.

Agreed. I don't know about the board, but I am pretty sure that money is not what motivates Wenger.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Thing is done anyone NOT expect us to lose to Sunderland and then to Spurs and the scouse? We see it year after year, a heavy defeat in the UCL followed by FA cup exit and losses in the league.

We are glassjawed and its not going to change without a change in leader.

Id expect us to loose to Accrington Stanley if we played them in the week, so not loosing to these teams would not be a suprise.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Nothing wrong with it but this is Arsenal Debate and one word replies (he says, expecting the geniuses on here to reply with one word) don't good debate make.

True

[Coney]

True

Agreed.

[Letters]

Also what have we achieved barring over-reaching by reaching a european cup final and going through a season unbeaten, I know it's hard for fans to believe but we won league titles before Wenger came to the club and even with his successes comes a plethora of missed oportunity.

Yes, we did win titles before Wenger but not since the 30s had we had such concentrated period of success.
3 titles, 2 of which were complimented by the FA Cup to make them Doubles. One league season unbeaten. A couple of other FA Cups. And all in a style of football which no-one expected Arsenal to be playing. In the 90's you couldn't say "Arsenal" without the words "boring boring" preceding them. There's some dispute about who brought Bergkamp to the club, there's no dispute about Henry though and all the other players he brought in in that era. I'm not even going to list them, you know who I'm talking about.

So yeah, what have we achieved?
What have the Romans ever done for us...

And yeah, there were missed opportunities but I'd suggest you could say that about any club in any era.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the team in terms of the personnel, its the application of them that is all out of cock. I said this in another thread but forgetting all the financials and stadium moves and past history and all that, on match days are we utilising the 11 guys on the pitch the best we can. The answer is no every single time. They are poorly motivated, the tactics are wrong, they are weak mentally, we are still.....STILL shite at set pieces and they don't work for each other.

A new manager would help address this.

I agree. We really shouldn't be getting outclassed like that by anybody. The odd occasion maybe, but this is a running theme. Teams with half the players we have would look more organised and motivated.

[Letters]

I'd be interested to know, by the way, what the result of this poll would have been had it been done before last night's game. I don't think the people who voted yes are necessarily knee-jerking, but at the same time we're all affected by results and my mood about the club this year has been all over the shop this season as we've lurched from disaster to disaster between some pretty decent results and runs of form.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'd be interested to know, by the way, what the result of this poll would have been had it been done before last night's game. I don't think the people who voted yes are necessarily knee-jerking, but at the same time we're all affected by results and my mood about the club this year has been all over the shop this season as we've lurched from disaster to disaster between some pretty decent results and runs of form.

You make a good point.

If my vote was affected - last night's result just re-enforced it.

[Power n Glory]

We've had polls like this after a loss and I can't ever remember it being so one sided.

[Özim]

Yes, lost respect for the guy the moment he started with his serial bullsh*t and also proceeded to belittle the fans.

I've found some of the cr*p he's come out with unacceptable, you have to earn respect and he did, but some of the things he's done in recent years have had the opposite effect.

He's really spoilt what he achieved in the early days in my eyes which is a shame, but there you go.