Should Wenger go?

[AKBapologist]

Bollocks, our players arn't good enough. We pay through the nose and we get shit in return. I want ticket prices lowered or for the club to actually invest in the fucking squad. Because the relationship between money and performance is so blindingly obvious, that unless we litterally sign SAF, there is a better chance at doing worse if we continue the whole unsustainable sustainability policy we've been doing.

Oh, it's just Wenger who doesn't want to spend? So sack him and who ever comes next will sign players? Ask yourself this, how long do you think AVB will be at chelsea? If Macini was trophyless this season? Do they just magically walk away all by themselves if they fuck up for long enough? And where the fuck is Stan?? He's been to 1 home game since taking over, 1 fucking home game? Were's the pressure? Were's the support? Is that someone who's going to spend any money? Even spurs have a better management structure than we do. Were's the leadership? Is that fucking good enough?

[Cripps_orig]

Not sure bout Letters.

Pretty sure GB said yes though

[KSE Comedy Club]

I guess stan will have to be more active this summer when the lockout agreement ends

Still wish he would fuck off as well tbh.

[fakeyank]

Bollocks, our players arn't good enough. We pay through the nose and we get shit in return. I want ticket prices lowered or for the club to actually invest in the fucking squad. Because the relationship between money and performance is so blindingly obvious, that unless we litterally sign SAF, there is a better chance at doing worse if we continue the whole unsustainable sustainability policy we've been doing.

Oh, it's just Wenger who doesn't want to spend? So sack him and who ever comes next will sign players? Ask yourself this, how long do you think AVB will be at chelsea? If Macini was trophyless this season? Do they just magically walk away all by themselves if they fuck up for long enough? And where the fuck is Stan?? He's been to 1 home game since taking over, 1 fucking home game? Were's the pressure? Were's the support? Is that someone who's going to spend any money? Even spurs have a better management structure than we do. Were's the leadership? Is that fucking good enough?

Dont worry.. our fans still think protesting or taking banners is childish. True change will be made by being keyboard warriors on a MB!

[LDG]

This is the most gut-wrenching question of them all, and to anyone with a heart, it makes me very sad to contemplate. To me it comes down to two simple things.

Firstly, it depends on what is the real story with our finances, buying power and competetiveness in the transfer market. If wenger is still complicit in the under-funding of the team, then yes, he should go.

Secondly, you have to ask the question of leadership from within. Does he, or did he ever have (pre-installed arsenal tradition and passion in a readymade back four, aside) the ability to motivate, and get players mentally ready to do whatever it takes?

This impacts slightly on the first question, as I don't think pre-RVP, that we've had a captain or any leadership since Vieira left, and over reliance on youth has knocked the stuffing out of us. I think this is pivotal to the whole thing.

We lost our tradition and history to a degree when we moved and cleared out the old gaurd, who we replaced with kids too young or too "foriegn" to appreciate what The Arsenal are about. Wenger is part of this, and despite all the good things he's done, underestimating the impact of not rolling over that history through his rebuilding of squads is unforgivable.

Of course the board and their americanisation of the arsenal experience is to blame as well. So regarding the second point, he should be held accountable for destroying some of what it means to be a gooner. That is unforgivable.

I still believe he is a good man. A great thinker. Passionate, but a recluse. A genius at spotting talent, but with a stubborness that stops him listening to or carrying out the very basic principles of football.

I really am torn in deciding whether he can or will reverse those mistakes. Can he still manage a team to success? Yes. He's a top manager. But can he breath life back into THE Arsenal...i'm not so sure he can.

In the cold light of day, yes, he should go. With my affection for the man and what he was and what i still think he can be......there's still a apart of me that wants him to stay and succeed???

It's all so sad

[Xhaka Can’t]

I reckon the other two were letters and GB despite saying otherwise

Out of sheer respectful love, they just couldn't help themselves

Damn - you got me!

[LDG]

The thing I am most surprised about is that Wenger hasn’t walked. I think the majority have wanted a change of management for some time. And it surprises me that he has stayed after being ridiculed by some sections of fans and (probably) let down by his players. Which means he thinks he can turn it around. His job description might say to deliver 4^th place and a trophy would be ‘nice’ but not essential. I don’t think that is something Arsene is happy with.

Arsene is one of us. We joke about Wenger WUMing and being happy to pick up his £6m a year, but I genuinely think he is very unhappy with his job right now. He desperately wants the club to succeed - I don’t think that can be questioned. I also don’t think it can be questioned that he is doing a bad job - regardless of whether you believe he is unwilling to spend money or whether the board are not making much available. How such an intelligent guy can be so deluded of the ability in his squad (as well as - possibly - his own managerial abilities) is what is surprising.
He has a sense of perspective about everything else, it seems. Ask him about the Eurozone crisis and he’d probably give you an accurate summary. Ask him about the history of Petra and he’ll drop some knowledge. Ask him about the weaknesses of the current Arsenal team and he’ll give you some bullshit using his favourite phrases, topped off with a colourful analogy about something that isn’t remotely relevant.

This is a real good summary to me.

I don't think he is deluded. I actually think he has fine morals and principles which are the underpinning of everything he has done. He expects players, as people, to educate, motivate and achieve success themselves. He obviously gives guidance, but I don't think he acts as a teacher should...he should have authority and demand what he wants as well as letting players learn for themselves. Part of that is giving the team a balance of youth and (winning) experience, which he has failed to do.

We could buy any number of the most highly rated youngsters going, but without a group of proven quality, experienced internationals to help blood these players, it's pointless.

His biggest failing if you ask me. Get the right players in, with the right experience, and you don't need the tactics so much. It's why our successful teams of the past were successful...they didn't need to be told.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not if Wenger has a say in his successor then its the same old shit.

We need someone who can change everything about the team, from their attitude, mentality, their bottle etc all of which is sadly lacking under Wenger and getting a mini Wenger wont do us any good at all

Makes no diffrence if he has a say in his successor or not tbh, Managers like Him and SAF will always get to recommend who they think is good for the job, does not mean the guy has to be a Wenger clone at all.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I guess stan will have to be more active this summer when the lockout agreement ends

Still wish he would fuck off as well tbh.

For me this is a bigger problem at the club, Not having 1 clear owner is messing us up big time, it be nice to have one man calling the shots not about 10 diffrent guys.

Really hope the ownership situation gets sorted out ASAP, It has been said before that Stan won't make big decisions till he owns the clun fully and we are seeing that now.

[Kano]

you do have to wonder, if our players are 'shit' and our manager is 'clueless' what does that say about the other 16 teams below us? paired with the fact that the top two couldn't even get out of their qualifying groups in the cl.