Should Wenger go?

[Letters]

Dont worry.. our fans still think protesting or taking banners is childish.

I don't think anyone has said that, what people have said is that fan protests aren't that effective. If the board only care about getting our money, and it seems they do, then paying money to go and protest is about as effective as the people who bought records in the wake of the John Lennon "bigger than Jesus" kerfuffle to burn them in protest...and then went out and bought replacements. They've still got our money, why would they care about a few banners?
Big, co-ordinated, sustained protest may have more effect but, in practise, that isn't going to happen.


What is childish is insults/abuse aimed at Wenger. It makes the people doing it look like toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram and detracts from their opinions which may well be sensible ones but expressed in such a childish way don't encourage engaging with.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Bollocks, our players arn't good enough. We pay through the nose and we get shit in return. I want ticket prices lowered or for the club to actually invest in the fucking squad. Because the relationship between money and performance is so blindingly obvious, that unless we litterally sign SAF, there is a better chance at doing worse if we continue the whole unsustainable sustainability policy we've been doing.

Oh, it's just Wenger who doesn't want to spend? So sack him and who ever comes next will sign players? Ask yourself this, how long do you think AVB will be at chelsea? If Macini was trophyless this season? Do they just magically walk away all by themselves if they fuck up for long enough? And where the fuck is Stan?? He's been to 1 home game since taking over, 1 fucking home game? Were's the pressure? Were's the support? Is that someone who's going to spend any money? Even spurs have a better management structure than we do. Were's the leadership? Is that fucking good enough?

While it be nice to win a trophy every season its not realisic to happen, as a club we have never really done back to back titles, cups unless is was the fa cup. So i don't expect us to change that now. Just as 10 -13 years ago we never signed big players, When you could buy a world class player for 15-20 Mill tops, so i don't expect us to sign them now when they are going for silly money.

With the budget Wenger has had i think he has done a marvellous job, But he does need to take the blame for some of the players he has signed. Do i think he should go because of not spending and not winning trophy's in 7 years? No

I think he should go because i don't belive he can take us any further anymore. Even if he went out and spent money on world class players,i still think he needs a change from Arsenal.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I don't think anyone has said that, what people have said is that fan protests aren't that effective. If the board only care about getting our money, and it seems they do, then paying money to go and protest is about as effective as the people who bought records in the wake of the John Lennon "bigger than Jesus" kerfuffle to burn them in protest...and then went out and bought replacements. They've still got our money, why would they care about a few banners?
Big, co-ordinated, sustained protest may have more effect but, in practise, that isn't going to happen.


What is childish is insults/abuse aimed at Wenger. It makes the people doing it look like toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram and detracts from their opinions which may well be sensible ones but expressed in such a childish way don't encourage engaging with.

Just think people are frustated with him knowing what he has done for us in the past, im not condoning anyone calling him names, think people feel he is taking the piss etc. Until we actually know whats gone on in the club he will take the flack from fans unfortunately.

And Also you have to remember we are in the a place that most Arsenal fans never thought they see spurs finishing above us, Yes it was going to happen one day but most though later rather then sooner, and the fact its happening under Wenger is made him more hated by fans. Just as the Recssion Under Labour made them more hated by the GBP.

[Arsenal Fan]

first time i've voted yes to one of these

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Yes because I don't think he is giving us the best possible chance of success.

[Letters]

Just think people are frustated with him knowing what he has done for us in the past, im not condoning anyone calling him names, think people feel he is taking the piss etc. Until we actually know whats gone on in the club he will take the flack from fans unfortunately.

And Also you have to remember we are in the a place that most Arsenal fans never thought they see spurs finishing above us, Yes it was going to happen one day but most though later rather then sooner, and the fact its happening under Wenger is made him more hated by fans. Just as the Recssion Under Labour made them more hated by the GBP.

I understand and share the frustration but expressing it by insulting Wenger, calling him a French **** etc, it just detracts from the debate about what's going on at the club.

Some people on here are too young to remember the days when finishing below Spurs was not uncommon. In the early to mid 90's it happened 3 years out of 6. It happened 4 times in the 80's. In that era there wasn't that much between the sides. Younger fans have become used to having the bragging rights over our North London rivals and the thought of finishing below them has become unthinkable. They may do well to remember that it's only become that way because of the level Wenger took us to.

All that said we shouldn't be finishing below Spurs simply because success in football has increasingly become about money and in theory we should have far more resources than Spurs, a much bigger stadium, we charge much more to go to games, we've been in the CL year on year and we have a bigger global fanbase. Spurs over-taking us is the result of mismanagement throughout the club, not just from Wenger.

[LDG]

I understand and share the frustration but expressing it by insulting Wenger, calling him a French **** etc, it just detracts from the debate about what's going on at the club.

Some people on here are too young to remember the days when finishing below Spurs was not uncommon. In the early to mid 90's it happened 3 years out of 6. It happened 4 times in the 80's. In that era there wasn't that much between the sides. Younger fans have become used to having the bragging rights over our North London rivals and the thought of finishing below them has become unthinkable. They may do well to remember that it's only become that way because of the level Wenger took us to.

All that said we shouldn't be finishing below Spurs simply because success in football has increasingly become about money and in theory we should have far more resources than Spurs, a much bigger stadium, we charge much more to go to games, we've been in the CL year on year and we have a bigger global fanbase. Spurs over-taking us is the result of mismanagement throughout the club, not just from Wenger.

I keep banging on about the basics, but that's what it comes down to.

I know money talks, and 'Arry loves a deal, he does; but he still does the basics. He adds quality, and experience to teams....and in January, despite having a half decent strikeforce, bough Saha at a snip. They were playing well anyway, but what Wenger failed to do when we were going for the league last year, and in previous years, was to add to the squad to ENSURE we did as well as we could.

You're right though. Given the resources at both clubs, we should not be behind by such a margin.

Player for player, we're not that far off them, mind. But we have a piss poor mentality, so again, 'Arry wins, because he get's da lads upfer it. They're cracking lads vey are.

[Dicks and chicks]

no because no one else can do a better job under such a small budget.

[GP]

no because no one else can do a better job under such a small budget.

They couldn't do any worse

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[Daniele]

While it be nice to win a trophy every season its not realisic to happen, as a club we have never really done back to back titles, cups unless is was the fa cup. So i don't expect us to change that now. Just as 10 -13 years ago we never signed big players, When you could buy a world class player for 15-20 Mill tops, so i don't expect us to sign them now when they are going for silly money.

With the budget Wenger has had i think he has done a marvellous job, But he does need to take the blame for some of the players he has signed. Do i think he should go because of not spending and not winning trophy's in 7 years? No

I think he should go because i don't belive he can take us any further anymore. Even if he went out and spent money on world class players,i still think he needs a change from Arsenal.

I agree with you. I think that AW cannot work on the players' heads anymore.