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    I am probably foremost amongst the Wenger out brigade and have been probably since 2004. Wehger has good qualities but many that are not compatible with high achievement. Foremost he is not a great motivator, secondly he sucks at tactics. both terrible flaws for a leader of men taking them to war which in essence is what football is. However his greatest single defect is misplaced pride. He thinks he knows best and no mass of evidence to the contrary will make him think otherwise. Repeated failure never makes him shake the belief that success is just around the corner and all that is needed is patience and perseverance. This is epitomised in our play where we do the same thing for 90 mins untill the ref blows and the other side has nicked it 1 nil. He cannot inspire players to be better than they are because they see no reason to. Just follow Arsenes instructions, they think to themselves, and no matter the result he then cannot blame you for the outcome. Hence the stasgnation of players like Walcott who has no lateral thinking. The non progrssion of Djourou who is a worse player than when he joined us about 10 yrs ago. The retrogression of Rosicky who once possessed Europes finest shot but is now a journeyman, all hustle and bustle but no end product. The lack of determination and desire in the team is so evident and once it doesnt work out for them in 60 mins you can see the resignation set in. We indulge our players shortcomings and they all believe like Wenger that each game is one with 3 possible outcomes, all with an equal probability.

    Contrast this with the Spuds. I loathe them as much as anyone but you cannnot deny that they are always seeking to improve. They take risks, quickly reassess their mistakes and change strategy. How many 1st team players have been bought and sold by them in the last 10 years I would probably guess 100. whereas for us it is likely less than half that, They buy, test and quickly get rid and buy again, while we coddle our failures and keep hoping for the best. We have the worst collection of keepers in the EPL and if not for 1 we would still be playing any of Mannone, Almunia et al. Senderos who we all agreed was shit was so promising before he joined us and was ruined and in 18 months at Fulham is now better than he ever was. playing a blinder against us at the cottage.

    The common denominator is the manager who seeks not to improve the players but coaches them into a fixed system. making then in autobots who repeat the same play regardless of the opposition. The club existed before Wenger and will do so and thrive without him. We should thank him and show him the door. Anyother top european club would certainly have done so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    So because the likes of you and Zimm and ACH think he should leave the rest that don't are deluded or dumbasses or a joke. Are we not alllowed freedom of speech or should we be under your dictatorship because you say so. I voted yes he should go, But i don't think those that want hm to stay are deluded, see them more as being loyal to him which their allowed too.

    If you want people to treat you better don't post like a 10 year old boy, who is in a huff because he never got the Ben 10 cards he wanted.
    Charlie telling me I post like a 10 year old?

    It truly is my demise!

    Coming to the point, I see those fans as deluded because they cant see facts straight! And more importantly its my opinion, when I call AW a cock, thats my opinion, when I call fans who back him deluded, thats mine as well. Just like how quite a few think I act like a 10 yr old kid and post like one, thats their opinion. I sure am very spoilt but one thing I know is that I fucking love this club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Charlie telling me I post like a 10 year old? It truly is my demise! Coming to the point, I see those fans as deluded because they cant see facts straight! And more importantly its my opinion, when I call AW a cock, thats my opinion, when I call fans who back him deluded, thats mine as well. Just like how quite a few think I act like a 10 yr old kid and post like one, thats their opinion. I sure am very spoilt but one thing I know is that I fucking love this club!
    It's not delusion. It's sentiment. I love AW because I love Arsenal. He's just as much a gooner now as us fans. He loes the club too. You can see that despite his mistakes. That's why it's not black and white. Logic dictates he's on his way, but passion and love for someone who has bought us such good times, history and enjoyment makes it so difficult to let go. Like george graham before him, there is an undoubted bond between club, manager and fanbase. It's difficult to accept for me personally....that, and i still believe he's got something to offer this club. He's the only one left that still carries the arsenal tradition....
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    lads, it's not about fan-loyalty anymore, AW has served his purpose with us. of which i thank him greatly.
    the old man has lost the mojo. well, a few years ago, really. but i gave him some time.
    he hasn't corrected the visible flaws in squad and tactics.
    au revoir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hymppi View Post
    lads, it's not about fan-loyalty anymore, AW has served his purpose with us. of which i thank him greatly.
    the old man has lost the mojo. well, a few years ago, really. but i gave him some time.
    he hasn't corrected the visible flaws in squad and tactics.
    au revoir.
    In yours and Mine Opionins don't mean its everyone elses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    In yours and Mine Opionins don't mean its everyone elses.
    yeah.
    i think my loyalty goes to the club. not solely to arsene. (r.i.p.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    I sure am very spoilt but one thing I know is that I fucking love this club!
    As does Wenger. You can accuse him of many things but not caring about winning and not caring about Arsenal is not fair.
    Which, combined with the good times he brought us, is why personal insults aimed at him are, IMO, out of line. And they add nothing to your arguments. If anything they detract from them which is a pity because your opinions are not unreasonable when stripped of the hysteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    I am probably foremost amongst the Wenger out brigade and have been probably since 2004.
    Was this just before we went the entire League Season unbeaten, or after?

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    Wenger out brigade in 2004.

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    So going unbeaten in 2004 means a job for life i see. Repeated failures with titles within reach with 2 months to go before and after that watershed season, failures in CL UEFA final s even the damn CC. This is the reason why 10 years from now we will be singing the same jeremaid. We love Wenger... we went a whole season unbeaten with him. This is the same team that could have won the treble that season but got dumped out by the mighty Wayne Bridge.

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