Should Wenger go?

[LDG]

No, no, I mean, what does 'Revisionism' mean?

Something I didn't do at college?

[Xhaka Can’t]

No, no, I mean, what does 'Revisionism' mean?

It means you should shut the hell up.

A secondary meaning is 'rewriting history often incorporating a bias towards the author's point of view rather than what actually happened'.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The first trophy is to finish in the top 4?

Bit of a daft thing for AW to say, but with his players mentally weak, he was never going to say anything less to make them feel worse. But its not the thing he needs to be saying if he did and its not the daily fail twisting words again.

[GP]

It means you should shut the hell up.

A lot of words mean that

[fakeyank]

That is a good question, Wenger was clearly better in partnership with Dein but that doesn't mean Dein should be given all the credit. You could equally say how many trophies would we have won with Dein around in that era but a different manager. I suspect nowhere near as many and not with the style we did it. If you have any understanding or knowledge of English football history and the way the club was pre-Wenger and the way he changed things you'll know how revolutionary his methods were at the time. To say otherwise is just revisionism.

I am not saying AW 'wasnt' good. I am wondering how much of AW winning things in 98-2004 was down to the Wenger-Dein partnership rather than just AW himself.

[Power n Glory]

These are the sort of comments that bother people and it's part of the reason why players leave our club. He may regard 4th as an achievement but it's not to the players. He has low standards and that's unforgivable. Transfer funds, lack of investment...all that back room board stuff is irrelevant if this is his attitude.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

These are the sort of comments that bother people and it's part of the reason why players leave our club. He may regard 4th as an achievement but it's not to the players. He has low standards and that's unforgivable. Transfer funds, lack of investment...all that back room board stuff is irrelevant if this is his attitude.

Well it is to ours if they are accepting it, however if they wanted to they can use their brains, Think Feck what the manager says "we want more as a team, lets show we can achive the best" Good players know how to defy managers, look at Roy Keane, You thinkhe gave 2 shits what fergie said no he did what was needed for him.

We have too many pussy's who are happy to settle for 4th but when they realise things don't change they want to move like they have been wronged.

Time for AW to STFU, time for the board to sort themselves out and it really is time for the players to use those brains.

[Power n Glory]

Well it is to ours if they are accepting it, however if they wanted to they can use their brains, Think Feck what the manager says "we want more as a team, lets show we can achive the best" Good players know how to defy managers, look at Roy Keane, You thinkhe gave 2 shits what fergie said no he did what was needed for him.

We have too many pussy's who are happy to settle for 4th but when they realise things don't change they want to move like they have been wronged.

Time for AW to STFU, time for the board to sort themselves out and it really is time for the players to use those brains.

It's not as simple as the players just deciding 'they want it more'. It takes a combination of will power, leadership, skill and strategy. We're lacking in all departments. If it was a case of simply defeying the manager and players organising themselves, we wouldn't need a manager.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It's not as simple as the players just deciding 'they want it more'. It takes a combination of will power, leadership, skill and strategy. We're lacking in all departments. If it was a case of simply defeying the manager and players organising themselves, we wouldn't need a manager.

True, But you as a player have to want it as well, I agree had wenger signed better players the mentality maybe diffrent but even so. If we got to the CL final (just say) id not expect these lot to except 2nd place because AW said its ok or 4th its ok.

[LDG]

Fourth is all we could realistically expect this season anyway. It was different last season, and that "fourth place trophy" bullshit was incredibly infuriating.

This season (despite the Wenger muppetry of saying "trophy"), fourth would be a real achievement, ALL things considered.