Should Wenger go?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Could not even use his brain to take out barton properly got sent off for some week head butt.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We cannot kill Diaby either.

well im sure it could be arranged.

[LDG]

We cannot kill Diaby either.

The bloke who me and my bruv used to sit next too hated Diaby so much

Mind you, he hated Bender more. He still shouts at him even though he's not playing for us anymore. "Fucking Bendtner!!!! Rah rah rah!!"

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The bloke who me and my bruv used to sit next too hated Diaby so much

Mind you, he hated Bender more. He still shouts at him even though he's not playing for us anymore. "Fucking Bendtner!!!! Rah rah rah!!"

Well both are clowns tbh, but the former is so enfuriating(sp) so you can't blame the man for hating him.

[Coney]

VDV could have played as part of a central midfield 3, behind the centre forward or even as one of the wide players in a front three (although he's not as effective there). Our problem has been that our squad has been too weak, with insufficient quality in numbers. What would have been the problem of having an additional quality player to give us more options? And anyway, Wenger must have known Cesc would have left eventually in 2010 (when VDV signed) so he could have become Cesc's successor.

Yep but thought Nasri would be heir to the throne, you make good points though, imo we never needed him then.

Sort of 'The King is dead, long live the Queen?'

[Power n Glory]

I'm tired of this formation talk. Am I the only one who thinks that once an attacking player keeps getting the ball in good positions, he should have no excuse for failing to deliver? Lets get some basics straight - attacking players have to score goals. Gervinho should be scoring goals. He isn't and so he isn't doing his job well. He gets into good positions and hasn't been delivering.

Arshavin should be played in the hole, Walcott should be played upfront etc...I don't give a fuck. When they get into good positions, they have to be doing much more than they are. Ramsey, too. No exuses - if you get the ball 25 yards out, fucking do something useful with it instead of nervously edging it out to Sagna to hit the first man on the cross.

Sorry to sit on the fence a bit but I can see both LDG and PnG's point about Sessingyoung (don't care how its splet). I don't think we should have to look for top quality players. I'm still happy with the Arteta and Mertesacker signings. But if we're going to make small improvements, we need a few more of them to compensate for the lack of one big improvement. But it's not sustainable to buy lots of players and keep the disproportionately large squad we'll need just because we can't sort out the issue of why we get so many injuries. We make a good signing, he'll play a month and get injured for the next 5. What's the point.

I don't think we could play Gervinho anywhere else on the field for him to be more effective. He has pace and he's good at dribbling. That's it. His decision making is awful, delivery sloppy and finishing poor. He can play up front or in the centre because of his limitations. He was a winger at Lille as well, so it's his best position.

I see your point about delivering when in a good position and I'd say a player like Arshavin is hampered out on the wings. If he was playing in the hole, he'd deliver cutting through balls at a more frequent rate compared to Ramsey whose really struggling to deliver anything at the moment. Arshavin's assist ratio is excellent and on the left, your passing range is limited. You only have options to your right and nothing much else.

With Theo, he just has no business playing on the flanks. If you can't dribble, you have no business playing there. We' get a lot more out of him as a striker. But the formation talk is tiresome because Wenger will never try it.

[Coney]

I'm tired of this formation talk. Am I the only one who thinks that once an attacking player keeps getting the ball in good positions, he should have no excuse for failing to deliver? Lets get some basics straight - attacking players have to score goals. Gervinho should be scoring goals. He isn't and so he isn't doing his job well. He gets into good positions and hasn't been delivering.

No - not the only one. I think we need to by a proven striker (or two) with a proven track record of putting the ball in the net - who does something when he gets the ball in the box rather than wonder who to pass it to next, who does not panic and snatch at his shot.

[LDG]

I'm tired of this formation talk. Am I the only one who thinks that once an attacking player keeps getting the ball in good positions, he should have no excuse for failing to deliver? Lets get some basics straight - attacking players have to score goals. Gervinho should be scoring goals. He isn't and so he isn't doing his job well. He gets into good positions and hasn't been delivering.

Arshavin should be played in the hole, Walcott should be played upfront etc...I don't give a fuck. When they get into good positions, they have to be doing much more than they are. Ramsey, too. No exuses - if you get the ball 25 yards out, fucking do something useful with it instead of nervously edging it out to Sagna to hit the first man on the cross.

Sorry to sit on the fence a bit but I can see both LDG and PnG's point about Sessingyoung (don't care how its splet). I don't think we should have to look for top quality players. I'm still happy with the Arteta and Mertesacker signings. But if we're going to make small improvements, we need a few more of them to compensate for the lack of one big improvement. But it's not sustainable to buy lots of players and keep the disproportionately large squad we'll need just because we can't sort out the issue of why we get so many injuries. We make a good signing, he'll play a month and get injured for the next 5. What's the point.

This is the thing though. I've stuck by this lot through thick and thin....well, just thin, for the last few years. I've always thought we're capable. And I've never really thought we need much more than we've had. Quality back up maybe, but not much more.

The problem is, we haven't been producing; and if it gives the club, the fans and everyone a lift, to see an exciting big name player sign for us, then I'm all for it.

You're right with the positional thing. They're all capapble footballers. And I'm sure they score shitloads in training....but that's what it boils down to I guess. Our training involves training for matches we'd like them to be. Not training for matches that ARE going to be....94 mins on a pockmarked pitch in the north east, for example.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm tired of this formation talk. Am I the only one who thinks that once an attacking player keeps getting the ball in good positions, he should have no excuse for failing to deliver? Lets get some basics straight - attacking players have to score goals. Gervinho should be scoring goals. He isn't and so he isn't doing his job well. He gets into good positions and hasn't been delivering.

Arshavin should be played in the hole, Walcott should be played upfront etc...I don't give a fuck. When they get into good positions, they have to be doing much more than they are. Ramsey, too. No exuses - if you get the ball 25 yards out, fucking do something useful with it instead of nervously edging it out to Sagna to hit the first man on the cross.

Sorry to sit on the fence a bit but I can see both LDG and PnG's point about Sessingyoung (don't care how its splet). I don't think we should have to look for top quality players. I'm still happy with the Arteta and Mertesacker signings. But if we're going to make small improvements, we need a few more of them to compensate for the lack of one big improvement. But it's not sustainable to buy lots of players and keep the disproportionately large squad we'll need just because we can't sort out the issue of why we get so many injuries. We make a good signing, he'll play a month and get injured for the next 5. What's the point.

This is right. Let anyone here pick the starting line up and formation and it would make no difference. That's because our players can't do the basics. All year long we've been playing shit in the final third. Now that Sagna is back we're even worse. These players can't pass under pressure, they can't cross, they can't change the pace. Well maybe they can but they certainly haven't been doing it. Every time we win a corner, get a free kick, find space wide, look for a pass through the middle - you already know the outcome before the ball is kicked. Careless, sloppy, panicked garbage. With one exception, RvP. And now maybe Ox. (Wilshere is dead). The gulf in class between these natural footballers and the rest of the journeymen we have is immense. You can see it so clearly in everything they do. I watch teams like Stoke and Sunderland managing to take effective free kicks, cross, play simple passes and it's beyond belief we can't do the same. We can sure pass the shit out of the thing in midfield though. Square, square, square, back, square, wide, back to the middle, wide, square, back, forwards... oops. Boring. Most of these players don't deserve to be at the club and certainly don't deserve their eye watering salaries. Gervinho, like Walcott, is unforgivably stupid in the danger area. Pires he is not. Forget about bringing in one or two players to change this. We have been starved of investment year upon year and all that investment will have to be made up before we can field a decent team again. Teams like Man City have made the cost of that investment even greater, probably beyond our reach now. Is Wenger to blame for this? Yes. Is the board to blame? You bet your arse. And the players are to blame too. They all demand much for the service they provide but they don't deliver, in any sense of the word. Fuck them. I'm going to wait it out until they are all gone.

[Dog Toffee]

If Gervinho never scored again but created an assist per game id be happy with that. Goals arent everything, him and Theo should take some credit for the fact Van Persies been banging them in this season.