yes the board are. you seen freddie's quotes today? said dein would go to training and put pressure on players when tey werent winning etc, he goes and we win nothing. freddie was very vocal about it, said wenger and dein together were great, i wish dien was back, he really put pressure on players to perform and wenger did the restOriginally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Was always a big fan of Dein, he loved football and was Arsenal through and through IMO. People turned on him but you can now see it was the board that were the problem not him.
He also had a lot of contacts, real shame he was kicked out.
just look at the calibre of players we used to sign when dein was here and compare them to now.
chalk and cheese.
He was booted out for seeking outside investment because he didn't believe the self-sustaining policy was strong enough for the club to compete, which has proven to be case. Also, ironically the guy he brought into the picture (Kroenke) and was derided for doing so, now owns the club, having been welcomed by the board.
The fact is, David Dein was and still is an Arsenal man, he was hands on and far more influential than any member of the current board who are in it for themselves. A 2nd voice to Wenger is what we've needed for a long time and although it will never happen under the current board, I would support the move if Dein was ever brought back in some capacity.
Last edited by Marc Overmars; 25-02-2012 at 01:04 PM.
Yep losing Dein was areal big Loss, even lady Nina said as much and got booted out for her troubles. PHW hated Dein he knew his role as chairman was under threat.
Now were stuck with Gazidaz.
Dein loved Arsenal, He loved Football anymore then current lot who are only Businesmen. Dein kept Wenger on the straight and narrow even if it pissed of cashley lol.
Posted a bunch of youtube vids of Arshavin's best goals - but it slowed down the webpage, I think. Quite a collection. He could strike it. Then he turned shit.
In that case compare away. . . .
These guys are in their 70s and at retirement age. How can they tell Wenger about youth development? You've seen Wenger's prickly response to former players and ex managers when it comes to this sort of thing. He points to their credentials and talks as if their opinion isn't valid because they're experience doesn't measure up to his. I don't think PHW could walk on to the training field and make such an assessment about a players valuation. Wenger would just fire back and say he's been in this business for years and talk about the age of which a player physically and mentally matures in football (23) and justify why he's worth the wages.
You heard the talk about why RVP may not be worth a huge wage increase when he's approaching 30. He makes it all sound so scientific and precise. He puts forward a good argument and I doubt these guys could fire back with anything that would change his opinion. Plus, I still think they're all in awe of the man. We all used to get excited about Wenger's young players at a point and still do to an extent. Denilson looked like a fucking world beater when he first arrived. Diaby looked like the second coming of Vieira. Theo Walcott was tipped to be the next Henry! Shit, even Eboue had a moment where he looked like was top draw. We'd never predict in a few years that they'd turn to total shit. Heck, people had Song written off as a waste of space some years back and he's turned into a very good player and underrated on here. With youth players, it's a total gamble but Wenger makes it look like sure thing and people believed him. I can't fault the Board for thinking this guy would turn shit into gold. We all believed at one point.
Wenger is the expert in all this and gets paid well for his expert opinion. They shouldn't have to second guess him when it comes to the valuation of a player. The only way they'll know that he's getting it wrong is through long term results. Took a while for the fans to catch on to his pipe dream because the players he hallmarked as world beaters at 16/18 were still shit in their early 20's or couldn't even make it into the first team. He's had everyone focusing on the future, the future and in 3/4 years time, blah blah blah.....that time has come now and we're still not where he said we'd be. For us fans that watch every single game and scrutinise performances on the pitch, we've finally seen the pattern over the past 3 or 4 seasons. We had to hold up what we were seeing on the field against his words and talk about the future (2% away) to realise that it wasn't going to plan.
For the Board, I guess they'll see the pattern when our league position, wage bill and attendance figures start going up and down. He's very philosophical when comes to losing and always has an excuse. He could probably explain away the loses and results by pointing to City and co, the bad guys with more money than us and that sort of argument flips the attention right on to the Board. Instead of focusing on the results, they're planning trips to Asia and Nigeria, looking at ways to increase revenue without looking at the bloody results on the pitch and the manner in which we lose these days. Would be nice if they'd paid attention to football like Dein did, but how many CEO types do that in football with the managers backing? Wenger respected Dein and his opinion before joining Arsenal and I don't think he'd take advice from many other outside influences. He's had the same team together for years and won't even take Keown, Adams or Vieira on under his wing. I suspect they'd clash over what needs to be done in training. He's too stuck in his ways and it's his flaw. The Board will have to grow some balls and fire him. That's the one thing I will hold them accountable for. If they keep him in this job for too long after seeing all this then they're complete morons.
that is a dam good post PG, i agree with most of it. the thing is, yes wenger knows about football more then the board, but surely the board can see if a player is or isnt good enough. they control the money surely, so they could turn round and go well we agree he could be good but he has to score x amount of goals, or provide x amount of assists between now and end of season to get a new contract. wenger tells that to the player and he performs, if he doenst we get rid. hill wood has been in football for years and surely can tell if a player if playing well or not, if not then what the fuck is he doing running a football club. there is no one on the board you think knows about football, that was the great thing about dien but surely somone must understand something about and can tell if a player is playing well or not. otherwise i agree with your points, though ssaying that wenger has said more and more there are no excuses, look at the milan interview. glad he said what he said.
also point on diaby, i feel sorry the guy, thought he would be great, and he can be but can be utter shit too, i think he would have been imense if that **** smith hadnt fucked his ankle
Wenger is on £7m a week?
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