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Thread: Wenger Out?

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    It becomes a lot easier question to answer when you lose three league matches in a row, make inexplicable substitutions and your team crashes out of the fa cup with a limp performance.

    Wenger's mandate it seems is to make sure the club finish in the top four every season, and considering the shocking summer transfer debacle including the sale of the our two best players than in itself will probably stand as an excellent achievement should we finish what we have we so constructively and doggedly started in the last five league games (as well as being aided by good fortune in the respective collapse of both Chelsea and spurs).

    The question still remains over stagnation - we can't rely on spurs, Liverpool etc to not improve and if we don't show more ambition they will rightly overtake us.

    Also we are looking at the possibility of entering the club's longest period of not winning a trophy for fifty years if we fail to win any silverware next season, finishing in the top four for it's own sake is a pretty bleak and redundant thing to do. Wenger needs to address the inconsistencies and slumps in form that have invariably left us empty handed for the last six/seven seasons and have become as each season passes increasingly predictable, obviously being more assertive in the transfer market is not really the all in one solution some of us might believe it to be......we can point to the fact that we are deficient in key areas this season but I feel we had a perfect balance in our team in 2007/2008 and still we hit the mental block when it came to the crunch.
    As much as I think Van Persie is a fantastic player, can he really lead by example....to be honest no i don't think he can, anymore than Fabregas or Henry could....a captain is someone who did what Vermaelen did last night, a centre-back running the entire length of the pitch to be there in the box if the ball fell to him....this is not a criticism of Van Persie but generally i don't think flair players or forwards make good captains because their skill is unique and they cannot expect everyone around them to match their talent.
    I think playing with Vermaelen has made Koscielny a much better defender, to the point where the training wheels have been removed and he is just as effective even in the absence of his centre-back partner.
    I think Wenger has been allowed to take on too much responsibility at the club and he has made poor decisions (most notably giving big financial rewards in terms of long-term big money contracts to players based on potential rather than achievement) he should go back to being the manager, not the manager and the conduit through which every of the club runs. I also think the club should encourage him to refresh his day to day backroom staff and maybe even groom a successor (perhaps the way Ferguson may be doing with Ryan Giggs).
    I am unsure whether Wenger can take the club forward, I certainly don't believe he can without significant change to his transfer policy and without certain tweaking of his footballing mantra. If he can't bring success I would favor someone else that can.
    But I make no qualms about this it's with Wenger that I want this club to succeed, I have said much about wanting him to go simply because I put my love of Arsenal football club far above any personal regard i have for the man but I would derive much more satisfaction from us winning trophies under Wenger than a new man, but the jury is still out for me on whether he can deliver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    He is still out injured because our club tried to rush him back and he sustained a second stress fracture.
    Hes was ready to fack off to the kiddy euros until the club had to basically beg him not to and convince him with graphs and stuff.

    Maybe next time he will stfu and follow orders from people who know more than him.

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    Ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBN View Post
    Hes was ready to fack off to the kiddy euros until the club had to basically beg him not to and convince him with graphs and stuff.

    Maybe next time he will stfu and follow orders from people who know more than him.
    Aye. It has worked out superbly for him this season.

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    People have short memories, it's the 2nd time this season I hear this we've turned the corner stuff........we got hammered by Man Utd (it truly was one of the most embarrassing moments as an Arsenal fan), thrashed by Milan, beaten by bottom placed Blackburn in humiliating style and we were out of everything by February...in addition this has been happening for 6 years now....do people never learn?

    Wenger seems to have more lives than a cat, the recent run will be exactly what it is a short run which will soon end and see us go back on a losing run, he's had 6 years to get this right and has failed at the end of the day, he's had his chance and this little run changes nothing for me.....we've lost a lot of games this season.

    I've seen this before, the mini run which convinced Wenger and some others that all is good, when it really matters and the pressure is on this team will always bottle, the fact is the manager lacks the key skills to build a winning side without true leaders on the pitch, RVP has been amazing this season no question but if he was to get injured where would the goals come from....only luck on that side has kept us in with any chance of top 4 (and it is luck rather than judgment because as much as I think he's a great player, he's been a crock all his career and it was wreckless to rely on him).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Numbers show that people changed their mind. Look at the poll numbers mate..

    I will support my team irrespective of who is in charge.. question is do I want AW to be that man?! HELL NO!
    Totally agree, it takes a few results and everything's rosy, this is the 2nd time this has happened this season alone!

    6 years of failure and the same problems manifesting themselves doesn't seem to convince people, I don't get it to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    People have short memories, it's the 2nd time this season I hear this we've turned the corner stuff........we got hammered by Man Utd (it truly was one of the most embarrassing moments as an Arsenal fan), thrashed by Milan, beaten by bottom placed Blackburn in humiliating style and we were out of everything by February...in addition this has been happening for 6 years now....do people never learn?

    Wenger seems to have more lives than a cat, the recent run will be exactly what it is a short run which will soon end and see us go back on a losing run, he's had 6 years to get this right and has failed at the end of the day, he's had his chance and this little run changes nothing for me.....we've lost a lot of games this season.

    I've seen this before, the mini run which convinced Wenger and some others that all is good, when it really matters and the pressure is on this team will always bottle, the fact is the manager lacks the key skills to build a winning side without true leaders on the pitch, RVP has been amazing this season no question but if he was to get injured where would the goals come from....only luck on that side has kept us in with any chance of top 4 (and it is luck rather than judgment because as much as I think he's a great player, he's been a crock all his career and it was wreckless to rely on him).
    That's the point I was trying to stress. The team only seems to perform when everyone has written them off. We've seen this before and this is the second time people have talked about us turning a corner. We've shown great character but if we need Wenger and the Board to show some balls this summer. If we drag our heels this summer, then we're on the same cycle as usual.

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    One thing is for certain, were it any other big club, AW or any other manager would have been given marching orders long ago.

    I think the slogan 'Arsene knows' became too literal and bolstered AW's arrogance. I have listened to a few of his press conferences, especially the ones around the time when the pressure was on to buy a few players, and all I could think was what a fucking €unt this bloke has become.

    The board became equally culpable when they began to settle for poor results in exchange for balanced books. How long can they continue to put the cart before the horse? Fans should start boycotting games and send them a message that we've had enough of the lessening of expectations season after season. How do you leave from finishing a season unbeaten with the title to not being able to win one piece of silverware in 7 seasons? #Unfuckinimaginable!
    Last edited by Özil's Panoramic View; 13-03-2012 at 09:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    when it really matters and the pressure is on this team will always bottle
    Was the pressure not on at 2-0 down vs Spurs when we'd been on a bad run and the crowd started turning?
    Was the pressure not on last night when Spurs had slipped up and we needed to capitalize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshGooner View Post
    One thing is for certain, were it any other big club, AW or any other manager would have been given marching orders long ago.

    I think the slogan 'Arsene knows' became too literal and bolstered AW's arrogance. I have listened to a few of his press conferences, especially the ones around the time when the pressure was on to buy a few players, and all I could think was what a fucking €unt this bloke has become.

    The board became equally culpable when they began to settle for poor results in exchange for balanced books. How long can they continue to put the cart before the horse? Fans should start boycotting games and send them a message that we've had enough of the lessening of expectations season after season. How do you leave from finishing a season unbeaten with the title to not being able to win one piece of silverware in 7 seasons? #Unfuckinimaginable!
    Worked so well for Blackburn rovers fans.
    "I really like Arsenal. Do you really like Arsenal, or only Arsenal with trophies?" - Dennis Bergkamp.
    "Which Arsenal do they want back, the one Arsene created?" - Tony Adams.

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