Wenger Out?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

i was assuming that as losing continued, people will begin to boo and eventually stop attending/watching/supporting. i agree with your viewpoint, that will be the only way he gets fired.

problem is it will never happen die hard fans will always show up to watch this team regardless. We have those who said they would to the bin bag protest, seem to bottle that (unless it was media shite). All booing does is effect the team nothing else. Even protests won't do much as long as the money is coming in they won't care if we make arses or ourselves chanting Wenger out repeatedly.

[Joker]

Yes, Wenger's kept us in the top 4 for a long time, but would any other manager be allowed to carry on having taken a club who had won 5 trophies in 4 seasons (and had finished unbeaten in an entire season) and allowing them to regress so badly as to not win any trophies for 7 years? Of course Wenger deserves credit for the trophies we won from 2001-2005, but his methods aren't working anymore, it's been brutally highlighted season after season. Our board deserve the blame for persisting with him (because it was financially profitable to do so) but there's no question any other club with owners even remotely interested in football would have sacked him at the end of last season at the very latest.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think it's worse when a manager doesn't strive to win trophies. He's a sportsman at the end of the day and that should be his ultimate goal.

No he manages them.

[Power n Glory]

It is also very rare to have found a Manager that has been at the helm of a top 4 team for 15 years. A population of 2 in fact.

That proves my point. Managers have been sacked for less. But that's down to our Board. They don't want to rock the boat.

[Mr. Lahey]

We look a much better side now that Rosicky is playing instead of Ramsey and now that we have our fullbacks available. But we all could see that we were struggling in certain areas yet Wenger insisted on trying to play the same way without adapting his tactics and it has cost us. This may sound harsh, but I don't think we're playing better because Wenger gave some rousing team speech or changed tactics. I think the players are trying to restore some pride after the horrid run and they have also seen that Wenger is in the firing line so they're stepping up their game. That's my opinion, but I could be wrong but Wenger isn't known for giving the hair dryer treatment and his philosophy on coaching is based on allowing the players to learn for themselves and he's not the type to shout instructions. It's an interesting theory. But coming out from this season, I think he will feel this team has learned a lot about themselves and grown in experience. That might hamper our transfer activity this summer. Also, it's like this team has to hit rock bottom and get embarrassed before they start playing proper football. They're not learning how to be Champions and how to deal with pressure. He will have to push them harder and get them to stop slacking off. I just don't think he has it in him to overhaul his philosophy. It has be boot camp with this team.

agreed and this is why i want him out now. im afraid that he will use this current run or getting 4th to justify not making impactful signings this summer. i may be wrong but we know how the story has gone so far.

[Joker]

No he manages them.

He doesn't mean it like that, what he's saying is that Wenger's a football man at the end of the day, not an accountant, so his obsession with the financial "bottom line" is unhealthy from a football point of view.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yes, Wenger's kept us in the top 4 for a long time, but would any other manager be allowed to carry on having taken a club who had won 5 trophies in 4 seasons (and had finished unbeaten in an entire season) and allowing them to regress so badly as to not win any trophies for 7 years? Of course Wenger deserves credit for the trophies we won from 2001-2005, but his methods aren't working anymore, it's been brutally highlighted season after season. Our board deserve the blame for persisting with him (because it was financially profitable to do so) but there's no question any other club with owners even remotely interested in football would have sacked him at the end of last season at the very latest.

Really?

I reckon we are talking about a maximum of two Clubs here. Personally I think he should go, but lets get a bit of perspective here - during 7 barren seasons only two Clubs have outperformed us in the League on a consistent basis and one of those teams is currently below us.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yes, Wenger's kept us in the top 4 for a long time, but would any other manager be allowed to carry on having taken a club who had won 5 trophies in 4 seasons (and had finished unbeaten in an entire season) and allowing them to regress so badly as to not win any trophies for 7 years? Of course Wenger deserves credit for the trophies we won from 2001-2005, but his methods aren't working anymore, it's been brutally highlighted season after season. Our board deserve the blame for persisting with him (because it was financially profitable to do so) but there's no question any other club with owners even remotely interested in football would have sacked him at the end of last season at the very latest.

And it has been said it depends on the targets his employers have set for him, not what the fans think is important in tptb eyes.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That proves my point. Managers have been sacked for less. But that's down to our Board. They don't want to rock the boat.

It doesn't prove your point at all - in fact it makes your point pointless as there is no criteria to support your 'point'.

[Power n Glory]

Really?

I reckon we are talking about a maximum of two Clubs here. Personally I think he should go, but lets get a bit of perspective here - during 7 barren seasons only two Clubs have outperformed us in the League on a consistent basis and one of those teams is currently below us.

If Wenger was managing in Spain, Italy or Germany, I think he'd have been sacked by now.