Wenger Out?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think any other team at our level would have sacked Wenger.
But the boards of most other clubs at our level judge success by trophy count, not bank balance.
With Wenger it's a maddening combination for me of being impressed with how year after year he's kept us up there (and I think some people underestimate how hard that is, how many other clubs have consistently? Only ManYoo and they have the best manager around), but we've failed to finish the job when trophies have been within reach.
I've always felt we're more likely to get worse post-Wenger than better, at times this season there didn't seem much to lose but right now I'm feeling good about the team again so I think we have something worth keeping. Another poor run and I'll change my mind again. It's been one of those seasons.

Yep and if their target was to win tropies and he failed rightly so. Did not/does not seem to be the target of our board.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Liverpool would have been a bit dim to sack Wenger. Look at the fruitloop charged with getting them into the top four now.

[Xhaka Can’t]

What is it about top four your not getting here? I'm not talking about West Brom and Sunderland here. I'm talking about teams that are in the hunt for silverware every year or have realistic ambitions of winning silverware. Come on now, why you acting silly and tetchy for?

You can put Liverpool on that list as well.

Eh?

You are the one that clearly does not get it.

Name the teams.

Would Liverpool or Tottenham have sacked him? Two teams/organisations that want to build a new stadium - but while talking about it for years have between them not managed to disturb a single blade of grass.

Man City may have done, but only now because they have unlimited riches.

I'm not being tetchy - I'm asking you to name all these teams that would have sacked Wenger - because there aren't many.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I think it's worse when a manager doesn't strive to win trophies. He's a sportsman at the end of the day and that should be his ultimate goal.

Which is why I think he should go - but lets not overegg the pudding here thinking there are are a tonne of Owners of other teams scratching their heads wondering why Wenger has not been sacked.

[Power n Glory]

You quoted my post where I was clearly responding to Joker.

No, I think wires are getting crossed here. I was responded to Dennis Bendtner with this.

Why is that myth? It's very rare to find a manager that has been at the helm of a top 4 team for over 15 years and won nothing in the last 6/7 years of his career. Most managers don't get a chance to build team after team at this level unless you keep winning silverware

Then you jumped and said there is nothing to base this argument on because there are only two managers that have lasted so long at the top. But I'm saying most managers never carve out such long careers as Wenger and Fergie because they usually get sacked within 2/3 years of a trophyless season which is why Wenger's situation is so rare.

[Xhaka Can’t]

No, I think wires are getting crossed here. I was responded to Dennis Bendtner with this.

Why is that myth? It's very rare to find a manager that has been at the helm of a top 4 team for over 15 years and won nothing in the last 6/7 years of his career. Most managers don't get a chance to build team after team at this level unless you keep winning silverware

Then you jumped and said there is nothing to base this argument on because there are only two managers that have lasted so long at the top. But I'm saying most managers never carve out such long careers as Wenger and Fergie because they usually get sacked within 2/3 years of a trophyless season which is why Wenger's situation is so rare.

That is not all that makes it rare though. He was also tasked with taking the team through a transition period where the Club was clearly restricted in the transfer market as it undertook the biggest capital infrastructure project ever undertaken by any Club. At least a couple of years slack had to be warranted during this period.

[latewinner]

I want us to win the champions league or have a hope of winning it and while Wenger is manager neither will happen. I look at Liverpool and think we waste a spot each year as they'd have more chance of winning.
I'm enjoying the season now because we're chasing Tottenham. If it was only a race for fourth I wouldn't care and don't see what's changed, we've seen good wins before after embarrassments, when written off, when fourth is the only achievement left and the pressure has gone. We've had 3 seasons of this why can't some people accept the pattern

[Xhaka Can’t]

Anyway, I'm off to bed now.

[Power n Glory]

Eh?

You are the one that clearly does not get it.

Name the teams.

Would Liverpool or Tottenham have sacked him? Two teams/organisations that want to build a new stadium - but while talking about it for years have between them not managed to disturb a single blade of grass.

Man City may have done, but only now because they have unlimited riches.

I'm not being tetchy - I'm asking you to name all these teams that would have sacked Wenger - because there aren't many.

Jeez have you been drinking? There aren't many because we're talking about the top four in the elite leagues. Liverpool sacked Rafa and Spurs aren't a top four team. This isn't just about England. I'm talking about the clubs around Europe that are on a similar level to us.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I want us to win the champions league or have a hope of winning it and while Wenger is manager neither will happen. I look at Liverpool and think we waste a spot each year as they'd have more chance of winning.
I'm enjoying the season now because we're chasing Tottenham. If it was only a race for fourth I wouldn't care and don't see what's changed, we've seen good wins before after embarrassments, when written off, when fourth is the only achievement left and the pressure has gone. We've had 3 seasons of this why can't some people accept the pattern

I doubt 1 Arsenal fan Would disagree with you there, but the bottom line is regardless of how we think he is meeting his employers targets and that all that matters at the end of the day, sadly.

If they don't sack him next season and he does what he needs to should fans boo him from game 1 or get behind the team they love.