Wenger Out?

[Power n Glory]

Has it been that sort of debate? I think everyone can agree that the Board have the power to make the final decision on Wenger's career. That's not really the point of this thread. It's been an up and down season and Wenger took a real kicking in a similar poll some months ago and his popularity amongst fans was at an all time low. Given recent results on the pitch, we're now looking back opinions and whether the results have swayed opinion and faith in Wenger.

This isn't about the Board. If their content with 4th and raking in a profit...whatever. This self sustainability model seems short sighted anyway because we can't simply depend on sellling players each window to make a profit while our wage bill continue to rise. I also find it strange that someone can pour over the figures each quarter and fail to spot the huge figures we pay out to average players. It's strange that we'd be so strict on transfer fees and massive contracts yet allow our wage bill to rise over £120m or whatever the figure is. So generous in one department but strict in another. I've said it before, but this looks like a mismanagement of funds and someone needs to take Wenger to town on this. But I guess that will happen if we eventually drop out of the top four.

The Board may be content with a top four finish and stability but no manager should set that sort of limit for himself. Winning games and being rewarded with silverware at the end should be the ultimate for players and the manager. Wenger may be just doing what is required of him, the bare minimum. He may see eye to eye with the Board on this, but if so, he's lost his passion and we should feel pissed off about it. But I don't think he's lost the hunger to win, we don't go out each game with intentions of playing shit. I just think he's past it. The board may not agree with that opinion but they soon will if we have another disaster of a season and fall out of the Top 4. If they measure success by numbers, they'll soon see the problem when the wage bill keeps rising and we've got no more star players to sell to cover over the cracks.

But enough of the doom and gloom, I hope we finish this season on a high and continue to play how we're playing now.

[LDG]

Has it been that sort of debate? I think everyone can agree that the Board have the power to make the final decision on Wenger's career. That's not really the point of this thread. It's been an up and down season and Wenger took a real kicking in a similar poll some months ago and his popularity amongst fans was at an all time low. Given recent results on the pitch, we're now looking back opinions and whether the results have swayed opinion and faith in Wenger.

This isn't about the Board. If their content with 4th and raking in a profit...whatever. This self sustainability model seems short sighted anyway because we can't simply depend on sellling players each window to make a profit while our wage bill continue to rise. I also find it strange that someone can pour over the figures each quarter and fail to spot the huge figures we pay out to average players. It's strange that we'd be so strict on transfer fees and massive contracts yet allow our wage bill to rise over £120m or whatever the figure is. So generous in one department but strict in another. I've said it before, but this looks like a mismanagement of funds and someone needs to take Wenger to town on this. But I guess that will happen if we eventually drop out of the top four.

The Board may be content with a top four finish and stability but no manager should set that sort of limit for himself. Winning games and being rewarded with silverware at the end should be the ultimate for players and the manager. Wenger may be just doing what is required of him, the bare minimum. He may see eye to eye with the Board on this, but if so, he's lost his passion and we should feel pissed off about it. But I don't think he's lost the hunger to win, we don't go out each game with intentions of playing shit. I just think he's past it. The board may not agree with that opinion but they soon will if we have another disaster of a season and fall out of the Top 4. If they measure success by numbers, they'll soon see the problem when the wage bill keeps rising and we've got no more star players to sell to cover over the cracks.

But enough of the doom and gloom, I hope we finish this season on a high and continue to play how we're playing now.

Nicely put

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Has it been that sort of debate? I think everyone can agree that the Board have the power to make the final decision on Wenger's career. That's not really the point of this thread. It's been an up and down season and Wenger took a real kicking in a similar poll some months ago and his popularity amongst fans was at an all time low. Given recent results on the pitch, we're now looking back opinions and whether the results have swayed opinion and faith in Wenger.

This isn't about the Board. If their content with 4th and raking in a profit...whatever. This self sustainability model seems short sighted anyway because we can't simply depend on sellling players each window to make a profit while our wage bill continue to rise. I also find it strange that someone can pour over the figures each quarter and fail to spot the huge figures we pay out to average players. It's strange that we'd be so strict on transfer fees and massive contracts yet allow our wage bill to rise over £120m or whatever the figure is. So generous in one department but strict in another. I've said it before, but this looks like a mismanagement of funds and someone needs to take Wenger to town on this. But I guess that will happen if we eventually drop out of the top four.

The Board may be content with a top four finish and stability but no manager should set that sort of limit for himself. Winning games and being rewarded with silverware at the end should be the ultimate for players and the manager. Wenger may be just doing what is required of him, the bare minimum. He may see eye to eye with the Board on this, but if so, he's lost his passion and we should feel pissed off about it. But I don't think he's lost the hunger to win, we don't go out each game with intentions of playing shit. I just think he's past it. The board may not agree with that opinion but they soon will if we have another disaster of a season and fall out of the Top 4. If they measure success by numbers, they'll soon see the problem when the wage bill keeps rising and we've got no more star players to sell to cover over the cracks.

But enough of the doom and gloom, I hope we finish this season on a high and continue to play how we're playing now.

Top post Png one of the best in this thread.

[Globalgunner]

What is there to say that hasnt been said before. the salient fact is that we have won nothing in 7 years and do not look like winning anything in the near future if things remain the same. I find it incredulous that some fans still have steadfast belief in success around the corner, while our best players keep voting with their feet. say what you want about Nasri, Clichy and co but fabregas would not have left if we had been winning stuff and RVP would not leave or dawdle on a new contract if he had something to show for the last 6 years. You cannot keep your best players on a whim and a prayer, (only fans are that gullible, it seems). Wengers problem to me are his methods. He cannot create a winning culture and midset that can do truly great things. tactics and mentality, this is where he fails and at 62, wenger will not be changing anytime soon.

Ask yourself, truly, if Wenger and SAF were in reverse roles. Who do you think would have the more trophies?. We Lionise Wenger as the best manager we have ever had in our lifetimes, but is being second best the sum total of our dreams....really. Wenger is our own Ferguson, just like a souped up Ford is a poor mans Ferrari. We can do better, so much better, we should not be afraid to try. This club has not been relegated in over 80 years, no reason to think it will happen if this manager leaves, who knows? , we might even win something.

[selassie]

Has it been that sort of debate? I think everyone can agree that the Board have the power to make the final decision on Wenger's career. That's not really the point of this thread. It's been an up and down season and Wenger took a real kicking in a similar poll some months ago and his popularity amongst fans was at an all time low. Given recent results on the pitch, we're now looking back opinions and whether the results have swayed opinion and faith in Wenger.

This isn't about the Board. If their content with 4th and raking in a profit...whatever. This self sustainability model seems short sighted anyway because we can't simply depend on sellling players each window to make a profit while our wage bill continue to rise. I also find it strange that someone can pour over the figures each quarter and fail to spot the huge figures we pay out to average players. It's strange that we'd be so strict on transfer fees and massive contracts yet allow our wage bill to rise over £120m or whatever the figure is. So generous in one department but strict in another. I've said it before, but this looks like a mismanagement of funds and someone needs to take Wenger to town on this. But I guess that will happen if we eventually drop out of the top four.

The Board may be content with a top four finish and stability but no manager should set that sort of limit for himself. Winning games and being rewarded with silverware at the end should be the ultimate for players and the manager. Wenger may be just doing what is required of him, the bare minimum. He may see eye to eye with the Board on this, but if so, he's lost his passion and we should feel pissed off about it. But I don't think he's lost the hunger to win, we don't go out each game with intentions of playing shit. I just think he's past it. The board may not agree with that opinion but they soon will if we have another disaster of a season and fall out of the Top 4. If they measure success by numbers, they'll soon see the problem when the wage bill keeps rising and we've got no more star players to sell to cover over the cracks.

But enough of the doom and gloom, I hope we finish this season on a high and continue to play how we're playing now.

Top Post P'n'G

I agree with your points on the mismanagement of the squad, Saying that I do get the impression Arsene is trying to get rid of some of his 'expensive mistakes', the problem I think he is facing and will face is finding takers for some of the 'dead wood'. If they stay it will impact us improving the squad. We have a lot of average players on very healthy wages, it's a big problem IMHO.

My general feeling is that Arsene needs to deliver the bare minimum this season which for me and I suspect the board is a top 4 finish. Arsene's summer is going to be crucial this year, a repeat of last season and he should be shown the door before we kick off the season. He absolutely has to retain the core of the squad and bring in REAL quality to supplement it. I'm not talking about spending 50million on a single player, but the likes of signing Podolski, Vertoghen & some of the other established players we've been linked with would be a massive step in the right direction.

[Niall_Quinn]

If their content with 4th and raking in a profit...whatever.

You said "their" instead of "they're"

[fakeyank]

Good read..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-argument.html

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Good read..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-argument.html

the man has become the laughing stock of club football

[Cripps_orig]

Good read..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-argument.html

Its from The Sun so bound to be BS

Someone was going to say it tbh so might as well get it out the way.

The fact its actually spot on and shows Wenger up as the fool he is wont come in to it

Wenger lovers on here will hide behind the "its the sun" line.

[Flavs]

One thing i don't understand and never had is why we bought these young players and paid them so much, was the intention to sell them on as we did with Nasri, Hleb, Ade etc. or was it to keep them and develop them into a winning side? Regardless of the fact it hasn't worked is what would have happened if we had won stuff? Would they have asked for huge pay rises?

If a player like Denilson is on £35k a week and we win things and he gets into the Brazil team we essentially face a choice, pay him more to stay or sell him for big money to a "bigger" club, is this our business model? Who thought this would ever work? I am not singling out this player intentionally he is just the best example. Also if these players are such a millstone why not just offer them on free transfers? I am sure there are teams out there would take players with the ability of Vela, Bendtner, the Squid and so on for free. (I also wonder if its the management of these players rather than their individual attitudes and abilities that is the problem but that's a whole other thread)

Wenger says we cant compete with the likes of Man Citeh and Chavski in the transfer market hence we sign young and unknown players and develop them (I presume to then sell) but that's nonsense, every year we see players come into the prem and make a mark, of course that doesn't mean they could have done it for us but come on, why are we paying huge wages to unknown "talent" when there are players in the prem, with prem experience, internationals for the most part, who would be honoured to come and play for us?

I look around the premier league and see players like Siggurdson who is on loan at Swansea and is a game changing player, an international, piss poor wages by our standards and a cheap transfer fee, why aren't we getting players like this? Would someone like Clint Dempsey have cost more than Gervinho? A player of top premier league calibre, 13 goals this season for Fulham, again an international who would have virtually no bedding-in time (Again another thread), yet we have to wait for Megamind to get used to "the pace of the premiership"

We either have some very odd decision making in our finance department or we are waiting for the re-birth of the magic hat. Either way our transfer policy has to change for both in and out.