Match Reaction vs QPR

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Forget arry, look at SAF.. utd don't spend anywhere close to Chelsea n city yet look at where they are n where we are! One person is concerned about things on the football pitch while the other is busy getting low with the board and being their mouthpiece.

Yeah but the mancs have the exprience they always will its the way they are run and are the best club in the EPL History.

Comparing them to us is silly they have always been better then us and always will be. Fergie will always be better then Wenger.

The way the mancs are run its to try and win a trophy every season. Where as us even before AW were never run like that and we still are not. We never done back to back titles etc. Until we get someone on the board who is ambtious not much will change.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That is exactly the point LETTERS, You say youve enjoyed this season. Thats your perogative. Some would say that it is just a continuum of the mediocrity which represents our self imposed glass ceiling now. No one except you calls other peoples reactions "kneejerk" and throwing toys out of the pram. It is uneccessary baiting and reduces the level of discussion to name calling. We are a club that no longer wins things and seem not to care either. Some people simply wish it wasnt so.

Yep because the players saying they want to win things show they don't care.

[Power n Glory]

That is exactly the point LETTERS, You say youve enjoyed this season. Thats your perogative. Some would say that it is just a continuum of the mediocrity which represents our self imposed glass ceiling now. No one except you calls other peoples reactions "kneejerk" and throwing toys out of the pram. It is uneccessary baiting and reduces the level of discussion to name calling. We are a club that no longer wins things and seem not to care either. Some people simply wish it wasnt so.

Yep. Nothing wrong with having a different perspective on the season. Some are more hopeful and optimistic and that’s cool. We don’t all have to agree, but the snide comments and shots are uncalled for. It gets silly and you get a group of posters constantly taking the piss and singling out specific posters. It’s not necessary.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/...d-chalkboards/

Interesting piece. Worth a read. Mark Hughes stops Wenger again. Used similar tactics when he was at Man City.

[fakeyank]

Yeah but the mancs have the exprience they always will its the way they are run and are the best club in the EPL History.

Comparing them to us is silly they have always been better then us and always will be. Fergie will always be better then Wenger.

The way the mancs are run its to try and win a trophy every season. Where as us even before AW were never run like that and we still are not. We never done back to back titles etc. Until we get someone on the board who is ambtious not much will change.

The thing about SAF being better than AW is right however up until 2006-07, they were on par. I cant remember any other manager than AW who has genuinely got under the skin of SAF. And this is precisely what troubles me.. how on earth did AW turn from a manager who had ambitions (and succeeded) of going the entire season unbeaten to a manager who parades 4th place as a trophy!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The thing about SAF being better than AW is right however up until 2006-07, they were on par. I cant remember any other manager than AW who has genuinely got under the skin of SAF. And this is precisely what troubles me.. how on earth did AW turn from a manager who had ambitions (and succeeded) of going the entire season unbeaten to a manager who parades 4th place as a trophy!

:goodpost: I agree i have not seen that Wenger with passion and fight only the man who wanted us to feel sorry for him. I don't believe he does not want to win things, but i think he needs to get more motivated about winning again which i question about him.

[fakeyank]

:goodpost: I agree i have not seen that Wenger with passion and fight only the man who wanted us to feel sorry for him. I don't believe he does not want to win things, but i think he needs to get more motivated about winning again which i question about him.

And that is precisely why he needs to go. I know he wont be fired but I am hoping that it comes from within to quit the club for someone else to takeover.

[LDG]

And that is precisely why he needs to go. I know he wont be fired but I am hoping that it comes from within to quit the club for someone else to takeover.

It's not anything to do with motivation or desire from his part. It is from the players though. SAF motivates and drills his players tactically. AW leaves it to the players, because he believes they should be motivating themselves, and plotting the play themselves...which I do admire to an extent, but it does mean he's not plugging that extra few holes he could easily plug.

The difference between then and now, is that the teams below us (and still below us) were easier to beat.

The league is far more competetive, with teams using the same modern techniques and scouting that AW benefitted from. It's harder to be consistent.

The main difference is in the attitude on the pitch. It's not the quality of the players per say (I believe we have had better teams than Utd in the last few years), it's the motivation of the players that he has gotten wrong...mainly by putting too much faith in youth, and not enough in experience.

This is why I believe this year is a better foundation to build on than the last few years. We have some experience, and a real captain now.

[Letters]

Comparing them to us is silly they have always been better then us.

...no they haven't.

[Injury Time]

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/...d-chalkboards/

Interesting piece. Worth a read. Mark Hughes stops Wenger again. Used similar tactics when he was at Man City.

And Boreburn too back to no plan B?