The problem with Mourinho is that he is too abrasive a character to ever make what he wants (build a dynasty) a reality. Also, the other problem is after he leaves - he's such a cult of personality which is great for when he is at a club but afterwards...players pine to work with him again. Look at Ibrahimovic's quote about Mourinho, saying he brightens a room, whereas Guardiola pulls down the curtains.Originally Posted by fakeyank
No cos its not that simple
Lets be real though the Mancs should have beatern bilbao and had they had a better team like they should have they would have.
Not saying all teams in la liga are bad, but if bilbao were in our league where would they finish?
Ok so maybe saying he does not want the best for clubs is wrong, but i don't think he cares for clubs more them himself.
Because everything is about him not the club thats why, all the club he has been at the circus has been about him. he don't give a shit about the future of the teams he left.
As for you using him to belittle AW you, do we know he is a better manager then AW and it would take a brave man(poster) to say otherwise, i don't see why you need to compare them, its like comapring barcelona with Villa.
Last edited by Olivier's xmas twist; 10-04-2012 at 05:27 PM.
This would make sense if Wenger 'commanded' RVP to hit the post, Vermaelen to clear one inexplicably, Benayoun and Vermaelen to collapse in the six yard box and Ramsey to be a palooka. You could easily say we won 'because' of Wenger as he is the one that bought Arteta, someone that does 'take his own decision'.
Well it is suppose had it been barca who were 10 points clear and Real pulled it back you be branded them bottlers by now. Non?
Even if W did tell any of his players not to shoot, They should use their brains when they have a chance to shoot and shoot.
But respect to Wenger for buying a player with balls even if it was a panic buy.
Just because he says pass pass does nto mean these lot can't uses their brains.
Last edited by Olivier's xmas twist; 10-04-2012 at 05:39 PM.
Tbh I genuinely think - on the basis of those two games, mind - that Bilbao are on the same sort of level as Man Utd. Certainly technically, Bilbao are on another level. Maybe Man Utd's grit and Englishness could get them a few more points over the course of the season.
On the basis of those 2 games (...and I don't think Man Utd gave up at any point - they were just completely outplayed), Bilbao would be right up there on our league. But obviously it's not fair to judge them on those two games only - maybe they did put extra efforts into that. Hard to tell. The point was though that there do seem to be some very good teams in Spain. The fact that Barca and Real Madrid are so clear is probably more a reflection of their quality rather than the chasing pack.
To be fair I don't think Wenger is a great tactician or a great motivator. To win trophies he's always needed a strong captain to provide the latter. I think we may have that now (if he stays) and as for great players...well, maybe not like at our best under Wenger but we do look to have the makings of a pretty decent side now. Need a few reinforcements but I don't think we're that far away.
Wenger has failed in some ways in the last 6 years but in other ways he's done well given the amount spent. You really shouldn't underestimate how hard it is to keep a side in the top 4 every single season. No-one bar Fergie has done it, it really isn't that easy. Given that he's done that we should have won some trophies along the way, that is where he has failed. The question for me is whether we're going in the right direction and I'm more hopeful for next season. Right now I am and IMO changing manager would be a far bigger disruption than it's worth, other clubs at our level have changed manager after a few trophyless seasons and it rarely improves things - sometimes temporarily in the honeymoon period but longer term it doesn't tend to.
Your not wrong Bilbao were much better and the Mancs were bad. (this is the team that will win our league). Says how bad our league really is tbh when a UTD will win the league because no one has really challenged them and city bottled it.
But i suppose your right there are a few better teams in spain.
The funny thing about Bilbao is, prior to Bielsa going there, they were far more Premier League-esque in style. Just goes to show what can be done with players willing to play in a different way. And I concur, think they'd be top half certainly, most teams would struggle against their work on the ball - I mean we've got top four in the past by playing football you wouldn't associate with the best way of playing in England. Bilbao are low down in La Liga comparitively but they're competing against teams that are encouraged to keep the ball too and some much better at it, plus they aren't used to coping with two extra competitions (they're in the Copa Del Rey final).
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