So how is everyone feeling over transfer activity

[Elche]

I think guess is the key word there.
I see lots of people on this thread expressing frustration but I've not seen anyone yet say who it is we were after and have failed to get or what the problem with wages or fee was (as Elche claims, but doesn't back up).

If y'all want to get frustrated about things when you've no idea what's going on then go nuts. I'll wait till the end of the transfer window and see what's happened then. Or at least until I've heard some far more solid statements about who we may be after.

The WBA guy Obdemwinge...has said that not only Arsenal have bid but he didn't like the wage offer. Sources today and two local TV guys in the Midlands have discovered the price offered was 4 million, this came from a WBA Director. Matt Lawson of the Express has now talked to the player who said to him yesterday that the wages could be OK but Arsenal and WBA cant agree a fee.

All this info from many sources of varying levels, is just too much to ignore...this is the type of info around on Samba and Gervinho...there is not this info for example on Cahill therefore I don't know what is true or not.

We cannot stick our heads in the sand and not believe the difficulties because the info is from too many varying sources...the evidence comes from the fact that other transfers have been proved correct by this method.

[Elche]

Ok, so what have you heard about what we are doing this summer?

From how I tune into to the information.

Samba, Gervinho and Obdenwinge are real negociations.

Cahill is a rumour as is Jagielka at present.



Clichy has 3 firm bids from Liverpool, Roma and PSG.
Bendtner has no firm bids.

Cesc and Nasri as what we all know.


Other than that the rest is quiet

[IBK]

From how I tune into to the information.

Samba, Gervinho and Obdenwinge are real negociations.

Cahill is a rumour as is Jagielka at present.


Clichy has 3 firm bids from Liverpool, Roma and PSG.
Bendtner has no firm bids.

Cesc and Nasri as what we all know.


Other than that the rest is quiet

And this would confirm what we all know deep down about where we are as a club. A second tier club with second tier transfer aspirations. This is not a criticism, its reality. With some experience brought in, it may be that the manager can rediscover his alchemy and win a trophy next season - but it has been proven empirically that investment correlates directly to success. And if we are unable to invest to match the competition, then the result is most likely to be failure as regards trophies.

[selassie]

*enters rant mode.

Some of you guys make me fucking sick by the way, you moan we dont buy anyone but then wont wait for the window to open for us to sign anyone, when we do sign someone you will undoubtedly moan they are shit and its all a joke and so on before they have even kicked a ball in the shirt. We could sign Messi and you would still fuckin moan Wenger isnt changing his ways. Any player we bring in you have already decided you wont like because you dont like/want this manager and therefore will empart all hatred of him onto anything he does.

I genuinely wonder what you will do if Wenger pulls one out of his rather dusty magic hat, would you swallow your pride and admit he had done well? No of course not you will claim someone else within the club engineered as Wenger can no longer do any right at all.

Seriously if something brings you that much misery and despair why entertain it? You wouldnt keep watching a film or a stageshow that made you angry and drove you to the depths of depression like you claim watching this team does. I mean i hate swimming for instance, it makes me feel icky and wierd, so you know what i do? I keep my hairy arse out the pool.

I think 3 titles, 4 FA cups, a solid financial base and the best stadium in britain could buy the man who gave us the invincibles 9 weeks to buy some players for fucks sake.

*and breathe

Flavs...I can't speak for everyone but I'm personally done with Wenger.

I've nothing personal against him, it's not hatred, I respect him for what he's done in the past but for now he's lost my trust, I don't think he has it in him to change things.

Look I'll happily swallow my pride and be the first one to put my hands up and say I'm wrong if he makes respectable moves in the market but I really don't think he will. 5 years of this is just too much, it's like watching your Wife or Girlfriend repeatedly cheat on you but her tell you she won't do it again.

It's not even about him not buying players. He needs to buy the right ones, we need players that can upgrade the team now not in 2 or 3 seasons time.

He's also got a job trying to convince a quarter of the current First Choice team to stay, he has a lot of work to do this summer and he has to get it right.

[Flavs]

Outside of GW there are a lot of well informed people. I'm linked on Twitter to Gooners and other fans that through inside information or dialog with more trusted Pundits or Journo...that have got it right on so many breaking stories this summer regarding transfer activity.

In fact it's quite incredible the information you get as opposed for waiting for Sky or reading the Sun.

So my info comes from people in the know, that have been correct about many things this summer.

Add the experience factor...and hey presto Rocket Science is not needed. The way we get information has changed forever, the information ismore fluid, more reliable and just faster now.

So you can be sceptical...no problem. But using the different mediums available, and learning who to trust...we can paint a pretty clear picture of whats happening.

Clichy.

We all seem to agree that he's leaving...we all know Liverpool are a possibility but want him cheap, Roma could offer more. But the story that broke about PSG offering 10 million that we see today was fluid on line for 4 days. The story comes from different sources of different credibilities.

So because of my conversations, dealings and understanding. I am sure this is true.

mate there are 5 people who know what is going on at Arsenal, Wenger, Gazidis, player we are buying, his agent and his club rep. And thats it. With respect to all the online info and i appreciate how much of it is out there, we are a quiet, sneaky club who doesnt discuss transfer dealings with the press until we are done.

[Cripps_orig]

Its not about buying players. Its about buying the players we need. Any Tom, Dick or Twitch can buy players but getting what we need is a whole different ball game.

Wenger had an absolute shocking summer last year and he should have gone then. That shocking summer led to what was certainly the most humiliating season in my 20 odd years as a fan and he should have gone at the end of the season.

He hasn't. He's still here and quite frankly its the same old shit yet again. He doesn't deserve our patience anymore. Be prepared for another shit season guys. One that I think seriously threatens our top 4 status and if that happens, I can't see us getting back in for some time

[Flavs]

That shocking summer led to what was certainly the most humiliating season in my 20 odd years as a fan and he should have gone at the end of the season.

[Alan B'stard]

challenging for the league, being in a cup final and beating the only team to beat barca in the CL is your idea of humiliation?

You don't know you're born

[IBK]

Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
*enters rant mode.

Some of you guys make me fucking sick by the way, you moan we dont buy anyone but then wont wait for the window to open for us to sign anyone, when we do sign someone you will undoubtedly moan they are shit and its all a joke and so on before they have even kicked a ball in the shirt. We could sign Messi and you would still fuckin moan Wenger isnt changing his ways. Any player we bring in you have already decided you wont like because you dont like/want this manager and therefore will empart all hatred of him onto anything he does.

I genuinely wonder what you will do if Wenger pulls one out of his rather dusty magic hat, would you swallow your pride and admit he had done well? No of course not you will claim someone else within the club engineered as Wenger can no longer do any right at all.

Seriously if something brings you that much misery and despair why entertain it? You wouldnt keep watching a film or a stageshow that made you angry and drove you to the depths of depression like you claim watching this team does. I mean i hate swimming for instance, it makes me feel icky and wierd, so you know what i do? I keep my hairy arse out the pool.

I think 3 titles, 4 FA cups, a solid financial base and the best stadium in britain could buy the man who gave us the invincibles 9 weeks to buy some players for fucks sake.

*and breathe

Flavs...I can't speak for everyone but I'm personally done with Wenger.

I've nothing personal against him, it's not hatred, I respect him for what he's done in the past but for now he's lost my trust, I don't think he has it in him to change things.

Look I'll happily swallow my pride and be the first one to put my hands up and say I'm wrong if he makes respectable moves in the market but I really don't think he will. 5 years of this is just too much, it's like watching your Wife or Girlfriend repeatedly cheat on you but her tell you she won't do it again.

It's not even about him not buying players. He needs to buy the right ones, we need players that can upgrade the team now not in 2 or 3 seasons time.

He's also got a job trying to convince a quarter of the current First Choice team to stay, he has a lot of work to do this summer and he has to get it right.

@ Flavs

First I think you have to separate the moaners from the realists. I consider myself to be the latter. I have got over my horror at our end of season implosion - and am merely appraising our situation objectively. There is no doubt whatsoever that in terms of a destination club, in terms of the likelihood of us winning the league, we have dropped out of the very top tier in English football. Last season was, frankly, our last chance to show that we, as a club that last won the league 7 years ago could claim still to have what it takes to be regarded in that top tier, and we blew it. Spectacularly.

Now, even the most optimistic Gooner would admit that it would be a big surprise if the manager wins a major trophy next season. It would be a very nice surprise, but a surprise nevertheless.

Our position has a great deal to do with the unlimited funds available to the Chavs and Citeh - that affect us both directly in terms of competition for league points, but also in terms of our ability to compete for the best players in the transfer window. Its sad for us. But there it is. No drama.

Turning to the manager, it is quite correct to attack those who are treating him with such disrespect. As Darth Vela says elsewhere, we would do well to remember that the focus of fans' ire also happens to be the reason why we have remained a 'top 4' if not a 'big 4' club for all these years. He is the reason why our club is on the TV every other week - reason enough to be grateful, IMHO.

But I do not think that Gooners who now believe his time is up should be criticised. Unfortunately, managers will always be judged on the present, not the past. And we all know that at any other big club he would have gone some time ago. He has been rewarded with patience for his unparalleled success with us, and he has made few friends with his failure to address what appear to be very basic failings in the team.

We know he will be buying players this Summer. We know that they will be decent players. The scepticism exists because of past experience. People might be impatient, but it is not as wholly unjustified as you suggest.

[IBK]

challenging for the league, being in a cup final and beating the only team to beat barca in the CL is your idea of humiliation?

You don't know you're born

As always two extremes. Our captiulation in 4 comps in 5 weeks - and the manner in which this happened was humiliating. And if individual matches such as the CC final; the away game at Newcastle and the home game against Spurs cannot be described as humiliating, then I struggle for an alternative word.

In the context of how difficult it it to achieve, finishing 4th in the league is no disgrace. But for all the (limited) highs of last season we ultimately underperformed when it counted.