If we finish 3rd Wenger is the best manager in the league

[Cripps_orig]

Your the one who said he is good and that he wins trebles where ever he goes, well he is not doing it at real is he was my point, so not sure why you think he'd do it with us.

Well no i didnt say that

Womming again?

[latewinner]

Your the one who said he is good and that he wins trebles where ever he goes, well he is not doing it at real is he was my point, so not sure why you think he'd do it with us.

It's an exceptional case. He's up against the greatest club side ever and even he has his limits. But he could win la liga and the champions league and if he does he's the best there's ever been

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It's an exceptional case. He's up against the greatest club side ever and even he has his limits. But he could win la liga and the champions league and if he does he's the best there's ever been

Thats a big if. Don't get it twisted Jose is a very good manager and like ACH said has the abilty to be the best ever.

But he seems to let Uefa/Barca get to him so much.

We all know Barca are a bunch of cheating scum, but for some reason he seems to fall into the trap instead of trying to outsmart Barca.

Id have more respect for him, if he sent his teams to beat Barca not just foul them because they can't beat them.

he has a better sqaud then pep has done since he took over yet everytime they meet he struggles to master Pep.

If he is going to become our manager and everytime we play Barca he tells the lads to kick the shit out of them, then no thanks.

[Cripps_orig]

I'd say ever because I don't think there's ever been a more feared manager. If for example we heard he is the next Tottenham manager imagine the fear all of us would have. He'd have them winning guaranteed and I don't think you can say that about any manager except maybe Ferguson.
He guarantees success more than any manager ever has.

Capello i believe has won the league where ever hes been with whatever club hes been. Hes pretty good. I know people in England will view him as a failure cos of his time with the National team but thats a job not even i could do and im the best in the world at what i do.

Mourinho, i think is a younger version of Capello. Dont think hes at that level yet but in time, who knows

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Capello i believe has won the league where ever hes been with whatever club hes been. Hes pretty good. I know people in England will view him as a failure cos of his time with the National team but thats a job not even i could do and im the best in the world at what i do.

This i will agree with

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well no i didnt say that

Womming again?

Ok so you did not say it exactly, but i assume that what you were alluring too apologies if i was wrong.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

as usual you've taken the bull by the horn and looked at a post from completely the wrong angle.

we are talking about the manager not the players. my example was to show that the manager has had less impact on our revival than people think, as its more down to players. so yes, they have let the manager down by not playing well, but they were allowed to do that because wenger was inept to allow it in the first place. we clearly hadn't trained the whole team to defend at the beginning of the season and it seems the players are the ones who got their finger out their arses and decided to change our luck this season.

most notably our captain, who has been nothing short of fantastic.

so using a game where we won as a result of our players having the underlying influence, instead of the manager, is perfectly acceptable.

No, you said of the Tottenham game it was the players that suddenly decided to play at 0-2 down, is the reason we went on to win that game. To me, what Wenger does is a double-edged sword, he allows players the freedom to affect the game even when it looks lost, which I think is why we can come back to score five but the problem is he allows that freedom to happen in every single game.

If we were really only talking about managers then you wouldn't afford Mancini a caveat by saying he is tactically astute and then again blame his players. He is just as accountable of their downfall as anybody else. It's no coincidence that when it got to the key months of the season, he retreated in to his defensive shell and started getting Man City to play more like they did last season, in this case, that meant De Jong playing more and more. Managers are ultimately accountable for whatever happens during a season and in Mancini's case, that's bombing out of five competitions and yes I am fully aware to what Wenger is accountable for, too.

For me personally I think Wenger has proven he is good enough to get us to a certain level (again) but I doubt whether he is going to give us the best opportunity to challenge for the title.

[AFCFTW]

as usual you've taken the bull by the horn and looked at a post from completely the wrong angle.

we are talking about the manager not the players. my example was to show that the manager has had less impact on our revival than people think, as its more down to players. so yes, they have let the manager down by not playing well, but they were allowed to do that because wenger was inept to allow it in the first place. we clearly hadn't trained the whole team to defend at the beginning of the season and it seems the players are the ones who got their finger out their arses and decided to change our luck this season.

most notably our captain, who has been nothing short of fantastic.

so using a game where we won as a result of our players having the underlying influence, instead of the manager, is perfectly acceptable.

I'm sorry She Wore (Love that song by the way) but you can't have it both ways. If the manager is held to account for not preparing the players, then surely by the same token he deserves a degree of credit for the upturn in form? The players have not done this by themselves, confidence was on the floor during the early part of the season and after Christmas, Wenger must have done something to get them playing well and restoring some much needed pride. For someone who is believed to be lacking in man management skills, he's not done that badly at all if you think about it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's an exceptional case. He's up against the greatest club side ever and even he has his limits. But he could win la liga and the champions league and if he does he's the best there's ever been

He'll need to start and retain a dynasty with a club to be the best there has been, I think (difficult given he is such a prickly character). He has elevated himself to the position of being able to go to the No.1 or No.2 side in each country very quickly and he absolutely deserves credit for that; he is smart enough to go to the club where he has the best possible base to work from. If he goes to Man City though then I think it would damage his credibility somewhat, he'd have been at the most prestigious club in the world, traditionally one of the best sides in Portugal, traditionally one of the best sides in Italy and two clubs with massive financial backing.

I think he's a great coach but I don't think he's a great manager. And it could yet go tits up for Real Madrid this season.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

im not sure how else to put it really, doesnt seem like im making my point across well.

basically:

1. players are responsible for upturn in form, especially rvp. without him we would be midtable.
2. because players are responsible for form (you have players coming out every week saying the team is performing better because they have decided to work on the defensive formation of the team in training etc) then wenger takes little credit for it. if it was all down to wenger, then why were we so shite at the start of the season then suddenly turned into world beaters now? that to me is the sign of players getting their fingers out their arses instead of wenger sorting something out, otherwise, we would not have had the kind of form we are having now at the beginning of the season. wenger would instead have 'sorted' the mess out sooner.
3. the idea that wenger 'must have done something to restore our position' is nonsense. rvp single handedly did that.
4. wengers made some terrible mistakes this season (taking chambo off against united sticks out) and had a woeful summer. this is why he is not the 'best manager in the league' and it shouldn't even be up for debate.
5. i used to the tottenham game as an example where the PLAYERS turned the game around, not wenger, because is true. we were 2-0 before halftime, then got it back to 2-2 BEFORE halftime. the manager done nothing apart from sit on the fucking bench. it was the players who turned it around, most notably rosicky and rvp who decided to take matters into their own hands. its nothing to do with 'freedom of players on the pitch', its the tide turning, momentum shifting, and the players performing.