If we finish 3rd Wenger is the best manager in the league

[Olivier's xmas twist]

spot on. people on one hand say 'cant judge fergie hes really only been at one club', then when we have a phenomenal manager who moves around and takes EVERY club he's been at to the top, it apparently shows he's not the best.

ridiculous.

Fergie has been at UTD and elevated them to new heights to make the succesful when he needs too.

Or Jose has really done is gone to a top 2 club spent some money and won trophies, which is something he should be doing with the money he spent.

If he did it with a Villa or Napoil then you can say he is the greatest manager ever.

[Cripps_orig]

spot on. people on one hand say 'cant judge fergie hes really only been at one club', then when we have a phenomenal manager who moves around and takes EVERY club he's been at to the top, it apparently shows he's not the best.

ridiculous.

This

People are reaching if they are using the "hasnt been at one club that long" stuff as a critisism for Mourinho

[Olivier's xmas twist]

TBF ill say something nice about him, He gets alot of credit from me for what he did at Inter because they were shocking before he went there even if the Italian league was on the waine.

So Yeah Winning the CL with them was Excellent. But like ACH said no way is he at the Capello level Yet.

Thats a man who knows success.

[Tipsychubbs]

It goes;

Fergie
Wenger






Everyone else.

The idea that Wenger is a bumbling idiot and anyone could walk in and we'd be winning trophies left, right and centre is laughable.

Winning trophies left and and center is an extreme viewpoint. To get started on that road you need to have the basics. Wenger is an outdated manager nowadays, he used to be a revelation, but others have caught up and surpassed him.

A new manager should at least be able to motivate the team and be tactically astute. That would be a start.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

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People are reaching if they are using the "hasnt been at one club that long" stuff as a critisism for Mourinho

No but if you have people proclaiming you as the best of all time (or very close to being that), you have to leave a legacy somewhere. That does not mean he isn't very, very good anyway.

It's what Mourinho wants to do, so clearly he sees it as something important himself. And quite clearly he is driven to be the best.

[Cripps_orig]

Well argued

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well argued

I was not arguing though. Its just the way it sounded was funny.

[Jens' Face]

The understanding and movement of Arsenal's midfield trio is a joy to watch and a masterclass in coaching. They are always on the move: one makes a forward run, one peels off at an angle and between them they make the space for the deepest man to move forward with the ball (see diagram). This continual movement off the ball gives the opponents marking problems.

When Song drives forward he invariably seeks his side's goalscorer, Robin van Persie, curving lofted passes into his path. There was a time when he was considered purely a "Makelele type", sitting in front of his centre-backs, cutting out danger. He began his career at Arsenal as a centre-back, where few staff members considered him first-team material. Arsène Wenger had faith and he is seeing the fruits of his outstanding judgment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...anchester-city

[Maestro]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...anchester-city

HRIM

IS ALL

[Tipsychubbs]

I'm not falling for that ruse. The same people that perpetuate this media myth that we are the Barcelona of English football. I've seen the team enough times over the last 7 years to not be bowled over by purple patches in form where everyone looks on song. You really think Wenger is a tactical master? Teams lower down than us usually know how to play against us, and exploit our weaknesses. False dawns don't change that long term issue. I didn't see any of these masterclasses against Milan away, Sunderland away, Swansea away, Fulham away, Bolton away etc. when the pressure was on. The team seems to have a 'go and and express yourself' way of coaching mentality rather than an actual focused gameplan that takes into account opponent strengths and weaknesses. I'm not convinced, imo Wenger is a has-been, at the top level.