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Thread: If we finish 3rd Wenger is the best manager in the league

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    27 points from 30...that's excellent form under any circumstance. Credit where it's due. Next season is next season, we'll cross that bridge when it comes but for now we've put together some form that no one thought we were capable of, and overhauled Spurs who we feared would finish above us. It's just nice to look forward to games again. This time last year was very draining losing every other week and rarely winning games, complete contrast now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    to me it has.

    same mistakes made? yes

    mistakes neglected? yes

    faith in an awful youth project? yes

    playing players out of position? yes

    no trophies? yes

    paying substandard players too much? yes

    milking the fans for their money? yes

    being a shambles defensively? yes

    only since xmas has many of these changed, but if you're expecting fans to forget 7 years of mediocre times for a couple of months of good football, then you're mistaken.
    You can say the last 3 years have been poor and they have, but the 1st 4 years, its was obvious we had no money as it was all in repaying off tthe stadium debt.

    So we all knew top 4 was the target for 4 years and we achieved that. We were never going to win the league or even CL in that time and we all knew it. and even though we probs should have gone for the CC or fa cup, still think we were to inexprienced.

    The last 3 years of the 7 is where i agree, i think the club found a safety net with 4th saw it could make them more money and deccied to stick with it maybe when they should not.

    Last years team was good enough to win anything and we should have. but we bottled it pretty much and think we had players who seemed not to care as much.

    This season i think we do, we have players who seem to love the club and want to play for the shirt.

    Does this mean i think were going to spend billions in the summer and become world beaters next season? No but im happy because for the 1st time in a few years i can enjoy Arsenal again.

    No one knows what the future holds and only summer whill tell us where we really are.

    The way i see it the club and Manager know what they need to do to improve us, they know how the fans feel. Only summer will tell us if they do these things, right now looks likely but who knows.

    I can't say last summer i was this excited for the season ahead, i was dreading it like most.

    Im happy i feel the team has a good core and whoever them manager maybe come summer he will have a good base to work around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    but we've seen it before.

    a good run of form and the team looking good, only to be followed by capitulation. believe me i'm enjoying it, im celebrating every goal like a madman, but that doesn't reduce the underlying worry in my stomach regarding the direction of our club. and its a justified worry imo.

    you say you cant believe 'how we have seen a very good run of form, and people can't be a little optimistic about the future', well i can flip that and say 'i cant believe how we have seen another good run of form, and people all of a sudden are overly optimistic about the future'.
    I do think there's cause for caution, I've outlined over and over why I see differences this time. What I don't get is that you seem to be dismissing it as 'a few good games' when it clearly isn't. God alone knows why I bothered but here are the tables now, after 7 games and the difference. Only Utd have more points than us in the mean time and it's not a few good games it's 26 games where we've out scored everyone (Only City have the same) and won more points than anyone bar Utd:

    Now:
    Utd P33 W25 D4 L4 F78 A28 Pts 79
    Cit P33 W23 D5 L5 F79 A26 Pts 74
    Ars P33 W20 D4 L9 F66 A41 Pts 64
    Spu P33 W17 D8 L8 F57 A38 Pts 59

    After 7 games:
    Utd P7 W6 D1 L0 F24 A5 Pts 19
    Cit P7 W6 D1 L0 F23 A5 Pts 19
    Spu P7 W4 D1 L2 F13 A12 Pts 13
    Ars P7 W2 D1 L4 F10 A16 Pts 7

    Difference
    Utd P26 W19 D3 L4 F54 A23 Pts 60
    Ars P26 W18 D3 L4 F56 A25 Pts 57
    Cit P26 W17 D4 L5 F56 A21 Pts 55
    Spu P26 W13 D6 L4 F44 A26 Pts 45

    Now, I agree we've had other good runs and not pushed on, there is cause for cautious optimism rather than mindless optimism, but I and others have seen something different about this team which encourages us that it could (note the emphasis) be different this time. I've outlined elsewhere what those things are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    but we've seen it before.

    a good run of form and the team looking good, only to be followed by capitulation. believe me i'm enjoying it, im celebrating every goal like a madman, but that doesn't reduce the underlying worry in my stomach regarding the direction of our club. and its a justified worry imo.

    you say you cant believe 'how we have seen a very good run of form, and people can't be a little optimistic about the future', well i can flip that and say 'i cant believe how we have seen another good run of form, and people all of a sudden are overly optimistic about the future'.
    I suppose whether it's whether you're predisposed to be optimistic of pessimistic then

    In any case, I too share the same nagging doubts. It only takes us to get beaten by Chelsea, and get knobbled at the ground of Stoke thugs, and we're in the shit....I know this too well. But I do see a different kind of ethos working on this team. They don't seem to hide like denilson, nasri etc. And we're making far less mistakes at the back.

    None of us can say for sure what will happen. But just going on what Wenger is saying, I don't think he is entertaining the possiblity of having the same kind of nightmare we witnessed last summer.

    Fuck knows. He may do his business early, but that business may be a load of old shite. All I'm saying, is that there is a definite willingness from manager to players. And we're starting to get some of the constantly annoying bugbears from previous season ironed out.

    There is definitely something different about this squad.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    i swear some people on here are just blinding ignoring any changes this season and hoping to god that nothing good happens in the summer just so they can come on here and go look we were right, wenger is a **** etc etc.


    no surprise zimm has been quiet these last few weeks
    TBF unlike some he did praise the team in the match reaction thread when we beat city. So he not been that bad.

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    For the record

    I don't think this team would capitulate the way people expect. We might slip sure, lose a couple here and there but i think the additions of Arteta and Metersacker and the riddance of Nasri and Clichy has reaped massive benefit for the team. I also think that we have more players who would jump into a fight than before for years we have had RvP as the aggressor and Fabregas as the impish one. Now we have Vermaelen, Kos, RvP, Arteta, Sagna and so on, they will take the knocks, stick a foot in and are steady eddies.

    There i said it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavs View Post
    For the record

    I don't think this team would capitulate the way people expect. We might slip sure, lose a couple here and there but i think the additions of Arteta and Metersacker and the riddance of Nasri and Clichy has reaped massive benefit for the team. I also think that we have more players who would jump into a fight than before for years we have had RvP as the aggressor and Fabregas as the impish one. Now we have Vermaelen, Kos, RvP, Arteta, Sagna and so on, they will take the knocks, stick a foot in and are steady eddies.

    There i said it
    Yup

    Bloody brilliant innit!
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    I think we are less talented but more stable

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    When the horse can smell the stable
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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