"You can't buy Class"??

[GP]

RVP also was ungracious by pushing Caldwell away when he went for a handshake

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[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wenger failed to congratulate Wigan on their win yesterday, didn't shake Martinez's hand either. Not exactly evidence of "class" is it? RVP also was ungracious by pushing Caldwell away when he went for a handshake. I'm not overly bothered by these incidents but it does highlight the rank hypocrisy of those who claim we occupy some moral highground and are classier than other teams, when we're not. I've accepted that so don't get flustered by these incidents. However, for the "true believers" they'll have to explain how these sorts of incidents (remember Ferguson did praise Wigan when they beat Man Utd) fit into the narrative of us being a classy team. Maybe those supporters can be honest and say this "class" thing was never about football, rather it was a piece of class snobbery highlighted how we have a greater proportion of middle class, affluent supporters than other clubs.

Maybe if Cadwell had not been a twat throughout the game maybe RVP would have shown more respect to him.

ANd wenger did praise Wigan actually he said they played very well and we were poor.

Yep your so not bothered you decided to post it on here.

End of the days even if he did not shake hands who cares.

Shaking hands is not a big deal and i don't see why its made a big thing off. it does not showyou have no class at all.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Arsenal.com ‏ @Arsenal
Wenger: "I congratulate Wigan, they did well."

Fail

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Joker thats was happens when you try to be clever tbh.

People need to check facts before a post things to boost their agurments.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

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Joker thats was happens when you try to be clever tbh.

People need to check facts before a post things to boost their agurments.

I think we are all guilty of getting our facts wrong from time to time (apart from NQ who is a factual god and Cripps who never gets them right)

But what is wrong is the way at least one poster on GW seems to go around in utter desperation looking for something negative to say about the team especially Wenger and RvP. Its ot even done in any attempt to start a debate, its pure negativity and like Charlie said backed up by nothing at all.

Funny thing is. . .I actuallt look forward to reading his posts. . .makes me keep in mind the kind of fan I hope I never become. . .and if I do please, someone put me out of my misery

[Cripps_orig]

I think we are all guilty of getting our facts wrong from time to time (apart from NQ who is a factual god and Cripps who never gets them right)

But what is wrong is the way at least one poster on GW seems to go around in utter desperation looking for something negative to say about the team especially Wenger and RvP. Its ot even done in any attempt to start a debate, its pure negativity and like Charlie said backed up by nothing at all.

Funny thing is. . .I actuallt look forward to reading his posts. . .makes me keep in mind the kind of fan I hope I never become. . .and if I do please, someone put me out of my misery

Hows Gervinho doing? Still the best player of all time as you thought he was?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Neville spoke about this yesterday and made a good point about. In order to get the decision, sometimes, you have to dive and we've seen it before. Players get their shirts dragged and it's not enough for them to tumble over in most cases, but if they don't go over the ref will play on. He went through a serious of clips and made a good point about it. It's not a black and white issue and to be honest, there are more important things in football to worry about.

i dont agree with that. so what, are we supposed to passively accept the fact that diving has taken over our game and do nothing about it? what kind of attitude is that? what are the people at the fa paid to do, sit back, collect their cheques and let the game go into disarray?

we're supposed to be making our game better, not worse. players are supposed to be role models to millions of children worldwide so what kind of defeatist attitude is 'well its happening so we should just accept it'? its completely the last thing we should be doing and the fa should be taking action to stop it. if we let diving go when will it end? snapping legs in half? punching players? racism?

there may be a lot of 'more important' things in football, like financial fair play and making sure prestigious clubs like pompey don't go out of business, but letting standards slip as part of an acceptance philosophy is completely the wrong thing to do. diving is in the spotlight right at this very moment and the fa have the perfect opportunity to prevent it gaining momentum by acting harshly on players they suspect are guilty.

[KSE Comedy Club]

i dont agree with that. so what, are we supposed to passively accept the fact that diving has taken over our game and do nothing about it? what kind of attitude is that? what are the people at the fa paid to do, sit back, collect their cheques and let the game go into disarray?

we're supposed to be making our game better, not worse. players are supposed to be role models to millions of children worldwide so what kind of defeatist attitude is 'well its happening so we should just accept it'? its completely the last thing we should be doing and the fa should be taking action to stop it. if we let diving go when will it end? snapping legs in half? punching players? racism?

there may be a lot of 'more important' things in football, like financial fair play and making sure prestigious clubs like pompey don't go out of business, but letting standards slip as part of an acceptance philosophy is completely the wrong thing to do. diving is in the spotlight right at this very moment and the fa have the perfect opportunity to prevent it gaining momentum by acting harshly on players they suspect are guilty.

I agree with this completely.

Nevermind what Neville says on the subject, diving is cheating, end of story.
It should be looked at and an effort made to eradicate it from the professional game. If we sit back and say its ok, it's tactical, then the game wil go to the dogs.

We'll end up with players falling over all over the pitch, on the ball, off the ball, in the tunnel!, etc. Its a joke to suggest its alright to do it.

Neville

Eddie guerrero would be proud, god rest his soul.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Hows Gervinho doing? Still the best player of all time as you thought he was?

Being as effective in his 5 minute cameo role as Walcott is in his 90 minute full game

[Kano]

i dont agree with that. so what, are we supposed to passively accept the fact that diving has taken over our game and do nothing about it? what kind of attitude is that? what are the people at the fa paid to do, sit back, collect their cheques and let the game go into disarray?

we're supposed to be making our game better, not worse. players are supposed to be role models to millions of children worldwide so what kind of defeatist attitude is 'well its happening so we should just accept it'? its completely the last thing we should be doing and the fa should be taking action to stop it. if we let diving go when will it end? snapping legs in half? punching players? racism?

there may be a lot of 'more important' things in football, like financial fair play and making sure prestigious clubs like pompey don't go out of business, but letting standards slip as part of an acceptance philosophy is completely the wrong thing to do. diving is in the spotlight right at this very moment and the fa have the perfect opportunity to prevent it gaining momentum by acting harshly on players they suspect are guilty.

yep, you swallow it or fuck off. simple as that. you can't change the nature of man. whether it's diving, kicking or encouraging the ref to punish the opposition, there will always, always be cheating and there will always be certain areas that are worse than others, that are seemingly not being dealt with.

you can suspect but unless you can conclusively prove someone is guilty, you are on a hiding to nothing.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

what a horrible attitude and awful argument.

'cant change nature of man', the problem is its not nature of man, it isnt something natural. its something artificial that has slowly embedded our game through gradualism and is now widespread. the degree of cheating and trying to defraud the referee has increased ten fold over the past 20 years, maybe because there's more at stake, but it still doesnt make it okay nor does it make it an excuse to let it go.

there will always be cheating, but to turn a blind eye and let the game go into disarray epitomises the attitude we should not be taking.