expertly avoided the question. well done.Originally Posted by AKBapologist
expertly avoided the question. well done.
What?
I mentioned it because it is the most extreme example of why fans may place more importance and significance on internal matters, things we can control, rather than accepting the idea we'll never compete again because of the current climate.
If we had managed to pick up a cup or 2 during these barren years, I'm sure people would be a lot less jaded and disconcerting towards Wenger and his ability right now, I know I would be.
Last edited by Marc Overmars; 15-05-2012 at 10:00 AM.
Thing is are we actually trying to compete in the transfer market with Citeh/PSG/Malaga and so on?
The way i see it is that we have a pool of players we can shop from, teams in lower leagues , teams who aren't in Europe, teams who are in Europe but not with the prestige of us, players no-one has ever heard of, the whole of south america and so on.
The only players we cant buy IMO are the ones already at the rich clubs or at least the first teamer's and the ones who carry media prestige and have the pimpy agents, like Hazard, Ganso, and so on.
Where i think we need to alter our policy, and this seems to be happening, is that we need to balance the amount of young talent/potential with proven first team players. Less Denilson more Arteta if you see what I mean.
What, because AW hasn't won a final since 2005 we should get someone else who has?
Pointless thread.
It's not black and white. Some managers who are good on paper just might not be a good fit for a club, and for every pardew, there are hodgsons, AVB's etc etc. Essencially, changing AW for anyone else is far less likely to bring any cups than just spending a load of money on decent players transfers and wages.
True, the problem is Wenger's got this snobbish attitude towards buying players from the Premier League. That's why we didn't go for Scott Parker. We don't need to be competing in the same market as City, there are always quality available if you look properly. We've signed players like Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny who've turned out to be good players, there's no reason why we can't look for more of the same.
To be fair, we didn't sign parker because he's shit.
Wenger got that one spot on.
no, because wenger has failed to address the same problems in the team, issues very much under his control and influence that would of had a significant difference in how certain seasons developed.
that is why it is time to go.
you don’t need to spend crazy money to win a cup or two, or even make an effort to win one.
you are right, some managers may look good on paper but who the fuck was wenger before he came here? That is what we all asked. Are you saying no one could ever do the same again ever and that he is completely unique to footballing history? That a club the size of arsenal cannot source a manager capable of maintaining the current static situation and developing it further – which does not mean winning prem after prem but at least getting us to lift a trophy for a while or really challenge for one.
We do need a new manager IMO, Wenger doesn't seem to have the ability to win trophies anymore. There's no point whinging about City's wealth when we fail to beat a side like Birmingham (with vastly inferior resources) in the Carling Cup final. In fact look at our record in semi finals/finals since 2005 and it's been abysmal. Wenger's a safe pair of hands to keep us in the top 4, but he seems to have become so obsessed with treating this club like a business that some of that competitive desire in terms of winning trophies seems to have gone.
That's without mentioning the fact that tactically, I think he's been extremely mediocre for a good while now. This doesn't mean we want Alex McCleish or Steve Kean to take over, but there are clearly many managers out there who have a better understanding of tactics and how to put together a team that complements each other than Wenger. You only need to look at difficulty keeping hold of leads to see that Wenger is clueless when it comes to that side of the game.
You don't have do much to win a cup tbh, thats the entire fucking point. Mostly, luck, ref decisions, injuries have way more greater influence than what ever wenger did or didn't say to koscienly on that fateful day.
oh fuck off - so it's everyone else's fault but wengers? have a word with yourself.
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