The Liverpool Thread 2017/2018 featuring Jurgen Klopp

[Marc Overmars]

I'm not sure they understand the fact they've just had their worst season in 20 years. King Kenny was shit. Really, really shit. Not only did he waste money on a lot of average players, he (inadvertently) dragged the name of the club through the mud with his backing of Suarez and unnecessarily hostile post-match interviews.

They won't do any worse with Martinez and only stand to improve if he's given a fair crack of the whip. He's young, has the right principles, worked with limited resources and got an absolute pub team like Wigan to play some decent football. Some Liverpool fans just need to get over themselves really.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I'm not sure they understand the fact they've just had their worst season in 20 years. King Kenny was shit. Really, really shit. Not only did he waste money on a lot of average players, he (inadvertently) dragged the name of the club through the mud with his backing of Suarez and unnecessarily hostile post-match interviews.

They won't do any worse with Martinez and only stand to improve if he's given a fair crack of the whip. He's young, has the right principles, worked with limited resources and got an absolute pub team like Wigan to play some decent football. Some Liverpool fans just need to get over themselves really.

We've undoubtedly had a very poor season and the Suarez thing was a debacle from day 1. He was on his own for that one though, there was no leadership from the owners or indeed Ayre, it was all on his back.

But with regards to the press, it's only because Sky are the main source of these interviews, who he dislikes. But generally he's very dour in front of the press, always has been. It could be worse, he could ban those he doesn't like, even his own clubs' channel and in turn be hailed as a media, PR and mind games genius.

For me, Martinez isn't the end of the world but I would also say there are "better" people out there too. I'd like to see that he has a ruthless streak about him too, oddly.

Someone from the AP now saying we've approached at least 4 people altogether so far.

[GP]

We've undoubtedly had a very poor season and the Suarez thing was a debacle from day 1. He was on his own for that one though, there was no leadership from the owners or indeed Ayre, it was all on his back.

But with regards to the press, it's only because Sky are the main source of these interviews, who he dislikes. But generally he's very dour in front of the press, always has been. It could be worse, he could ban those he doesn't like, even his own clubs' channel and in turn be hailed as a media, PR and mind games genius.

For me, Martinez isn't the end of the world but I would also say there are "better" people out there too. I'd like to see that he has a ruthless streak about him too, oddly.

Someone from the AP now saying we've approached at least 4 people altogether so far.

Yes, John Barnes has confirmed it.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We've undoubtedly had a very poor season and the Suarez thing was a debacle from day 1. He was on his own for that one though, there was no leadership from the owners or indeed Ayre, it was all on his back.

But with regards to the press, it's only because Sky are the main source of these interviews, who he dislikes. But generally he's very dour in front of the press, always has been. It could be worse, he could ban those he doesn't like, even his own clubs' channel and in turn be hailed as a media, PR and mind games genius.

For me, Martinez isn't the end of the world but I would also say there are "better" people out there too. I'd like to see that he has a ruthless streak about him too, oddly.

Someone from the AP now saying we've approached at least 4 people altogether so far.

whilst i agree with you that hiring martinez isn't going to be the end of the world, the question you've got to ask is whether he is an improvement on dalglish. if the answer is no then it's quite a baffling decision if you end up hiring him.

the board sacked dalglish because he wasn't good enough to take you into the top 4, and quite frankly he wasn't. but i dont think martinez is either; people say he got wigan to play decent football but 2 months of success does not undo years of sewage. this has been the only season martinez showed some tactical ingenuity; in previous years wigan stayed up due to goal difference, a lucky deflected goal or pure luck. it had nothing to do with wigan playing well or deserving it. this was the first year martinez employed some tactics to get wigan out of the relegation zone and it worked (against us, man utd, toon etc), but once again, i dont think thats good enough. you've got to look at the bigger picture and you should be going for a top class manager who has a proven track record. someone who can handle the pressure at a top club. taking someone from a relegation based club is a massive risk and he'll need time, i dont think the kop will give it him. if you dont get a win in the first 3 games next season there will be underwhelming pressure on him and the kop will turn, everyone knows that. it's too much of a big step; he should go villa, west brom, fulham, a team like that which is one step higher than wigan but not quite top 4 driven. it'll give him some experience before he takes on a big club. taking him straight from wigan is a massive risk and i dont think it'll pay off.

[Kano]

a big question regarding martinez will be gaining the respect of some of the squad and getting them to follow his lead. Roy suffered because of a poor start and there would be unrest in the dressing room and in the stands if something similar happens, making it an uphill journey.

it is hard not to like Martinez so far, due in part to his personality of course but also because he has not been seen as a serious threat to anyone at the top in his time in the Prem. either way he will enter a cauldron of high pressure straight away and i hope he is up to the job - well before they may become a threat to us again anyway.

[Syn]

Nobody has a lower opinion of Liverpool fans (bar NGiBbles) than I do, and obviously they should give Martinez a fair chance - which they won't. But I wouldn't be happy if Martinez was named Arsenal manager tomorrow even though I want a change of management. I agree with NGiBbles' ranking of preference - Klopp, Spalletti. Rodgers would be ok, maybe. Martinez is probably better on paper than Rodgers IMO but Rodgers is more charismatic but sounds less of a nice guy from what I've heard from him. He's got that moody psycho shit going for him.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

a big question regarding martinez will be gaining the respect of some of the squad and getting them to follow his lead. Roy suffered because of a poor start and there would be unrest in the dressing room and in the stands if something similar happens, making it an uphill journey.

it is hard not to like Martinez so far, due in part to his personality of course but also because he has not been seen as a serious threat to anyone at the top in his time in the Prem. either way he will enter a cauldron of high pressure straight away and i hope he is up to the job - well before they may become a threat to us again anyway.

spot on. it's not just about what he's done at wigan because when you strip it all away, the bigger picture looks bleak. scouting networks, authority, respect are just a few things that come to mind. he's got a very local scouting network (bar the odd signing from abroad) since he's been at wigan and he's been buying quite a few championship players. at liverpool you can't do that. you need top top players to get you into top 4 and it will take a long time to build that network ingenuity. with several key board members leaving anfield too, you really have to question where he's going to get some input from. yes comolli and co got it wrong on several players but they had global market knowledge mainly due to their work at previous clubs. martinez will be struggling in that sense, and with little support around him, is going to be a very lonely figure. just seems bizarre that the board would get rid of an anfield legend and replace him with a relegation candidate. talk about stoking the fans with fire and taking a huge risk. on the flip side he's absolutely amazing with the press and will help promote the liverpool 'brand' across the US, especially with this new behind the scenes documentary they've planned.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

whilst i agree with you that hiring martinez isn't going to be the end of the world, the question you've got to ask is whether he is an improvement on dalglish. if the answer is no then it's quite a baffling decision if you end up hiring him.

the board sacked dalglish because he wasn't good enough to take you into the top 4, and quite frankly he wasn't. but i dont think martinez is either; people say he got wigan to play decent football but 2 months of success does not undo years of sewage. this has been the only season martinez showed some tactical ingenuity; in previous years wigan stayed up due to goal difference, a lucky deflected goal or pure luck. it had nothing to do with wigan playing well or deserving it. this was the first year martinez employed some tactics to get wigan out of the relegation zone and it worked (against us, man utd, toon etc), but once again, i dont think thats good enough. you've got to look at the bigger picture and you should be going for a top class manager who has a proven track record. someone who can handle the pressure at a top club. taking someone from a relegation based club is a massive risk and he'll need time, i dont think the kop will give it him. if you dont get a win in the first 3 games next season there will be underwhelming pressure on him and the kop will turn, everyone knows that. it's too much of a big step; he should go villa, west brom, fulham, a team like that which is one step higher than wigan but not quite top 4 driven. it'll give him some experience before he takes on a big club. taking him straight from wigan is a massive risk and i dont think it'll pay off.

Not to the liverpool fans no. You have to be good to replace their precious King Kenny. Only Jose would really be the one they want as they feel he is special and their club is special.

Martinez won't last long at pool if the fans get their way. problem pool have now is that they could end up being like Chavs employing so many managers till they feel they have got it right.

Who needs Tradition any more Eh?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

To be fair we haven't appointed him yet.

And still might not.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Nobody has a lower opinion of Liverpool fans (bar NGiBbles) than I do, and obviously they should give Martinez a fair chance - which they won't. But I wouldn't be happy if Martinez was named Arsenal manager tomorrow even though I want a change of management. I agree with NGiBbles' ranking of preference - Klopp, Spalletti. Rodgers would be ok, maybe. Martinez is probably better on paper than Rodgers IMO but Rodgers is more charismatic but sounds less of a nice guy from what I've heard from him. He's got that moody psycho shit going for him.

why would Klopp leave a club in the CL to manage one who is not. No way they'd get him.