So, how do WE win the league?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not the board - the shareholders! The ones who stood to make all the cash and when you stand back and take a look it certainly appears the last few seasons have been all about setting the club up for sale. That seems to have been the #1 priority. Can Wenger dictate on something like that? I doubt it. £500mill and even PHW can grow a set. There was more to the Fabregas/ Nasri thing than has been made public, enough slipped out to suggest Wenger may not have been fully on board. But as is the way with any company hierarchy, the shareholders will trump the manager every time if they insist. Maybe it's true that a prospective replacement for Wenger would demand investment, our lot would probably settle for no manager at all then.

Pretty much. AW obviously knows alot and the board know if they let him go now. he will expose more then they want right now. So backing him is their way of keeping him quiet etc.

[Alan B'stard]

There is understandable envy directed towards Manchester City from Gooners. Understandable, in that we're winners, and it wasn't so long ago that we were celebrating a league success. While footballing personnel changes, the fans never do. Successes, as well as disappointments, stay fresh in the memory.

I put the question to you guys and gals- how do we as a club go on to win the league in the current climate? With an abundance of wealth at Manchester City, a monetary backlash expected at United and Chelsea, and a board who are, seemingly, happy with a 3rd/4th place finish, it now seems a million miles away. Seeing that clock tick down at the Etihad, from 44 years to the 0 years since they enjoyed a league victory, made me wonder. Just how long is it until we'll experience the same feeling again? And, more importantly, how will we get there? Stupid foreign investment? A new manager to tinker with the current squad? An influx of players who are inherently "fans" of the Arsenal?

From a personal perspective, it all seems rather bleak at the moment.

we wont win the league until (say) usmanov pays kronke whatever his price is (im guessing 20 grand a share) and then spluffs whatever it costs to buy the league by then. I suspect anyone with any sense will long have been bored shitless by Mcfootball / gone off to support whatever FC united style protest club has sprung up.

[LDG]

we wont win the league until (say) usmanov pays kronke whatever his price is (im guessing 20 grand a share) and then spluffs whatever it costs to buy the league by then. I suspect anyone with any sense will long have been bored shitless by Mcfootball / gone off to support whatever FC united style protest club has sprung up.

Nice to see you back on the board

Cheer the fuck up though!

[Alan B'stard]

Nice to see you back on the board

Cheer the fuck up though!

I was trying to put a positive spin on it too

[Ernesto]

I think also that you can't overestimate the importance of a good start in the Premiership. The last time we finished in the top two, we won our first two league games. I don't think that's a coincidence. Compare that with our stale, end-of-season feel game at St James' to start our campaign this season. It wasn't purposeful- it was pathetic.

I'd also like to add that maybe being a little more adventurous in the January transfer window may aid us in our run-in. The big money signings of Reyes and Arshavin have helped in the very seasons that they were signed to help us push on. It gives us a feel-good factor that rubs off on the rest of the team, at least for a short time. In doing so, I think we'll see the end of our Charlton Athletic-esque collapse at the end of every season.

[Daniele]

People calling AW a loser, an inept etc. THAT'S UTTERLY LUDICROUS. He's the most successful manager in Arsenal history. He won the league 3 times. Before that it took Arsenal how long to win three league in the last 40 years? 71, 89, 91..that's 20 years and he's won it in 6....When have Arsenal reached the CL final before him? Never, was not even in sight. When have we achieved such widespread renown for our style, our football? Never we were shite before him, even even George Bung Graham.

You people don't deserve AW, don't deserve the great football on show, not even the trophies he won before this barren run. You can criticise him of course but that's just lack of respect.

[fakeyank]

There is understandable envy directed towards Manchester City from Gooners. Understandable, in that we're winners, and it wasn't so long ago that we were celebrating a league success. While footballing personnel changes, the fans never do. Successes, as well as disappointments, stay fresh in the memory.

I put the question to you guys and gals- how do we as a club go on to win the league in the current climate? With an abundance of wealth at Manchester City, a monetary backlash expected at United and Chelsea, and a board who are, seemingly, happy with a 3rd/4th place finish, it now seems a million miles away. Seeing that clock tick down at the Etihad, from 44 years to the 0 years since they enjoyed a league victory, made me wonder. Just how long is it until we'll experience the same feeling again? And, more importantly, how will we get there? Stupid foreign investment? A new manager to tinker with the current squad? An influx of players who are inherently "fans" of the Arsenal?

From a personal perspective, it all seems rather bleak at the moment.

Sack the manager and get someone who wants to win. Someone who is not a mere mouthpiece of the board.

[Xhaka Can’t]

People calling AW a loser, an inept etc. THAT'S UTTERLY LUDICROUS. He's the most successful manager in Arsenal history. He won the league 3 times. Before that it took Arsenal how long to win three league in the last 40 years? 71, 89, 91..that's 20 years and he's won it in 6....When have Arsenal reached the CL final before him? Never, was not even in sight. When have we achieved such widespread renown for our style, our football? Never we were shite before him, even even George Bung Graham.

You people don't deserve AW, don't deserve the great football on show, not even the trophies he won before this barren run. You can criticise him of course but that's just lack of respect.

You can be complementary of Wenger without being so disparaging of George Graham. Graham gave so much to and care so much for the Club both as a player and a Manager. Many of the attributes we love about this Club were formed and developed by Graham. It is why he was and forever will be amongst this Club's greatest ever legends and you'd do well to make yourself aware of and remember that.

[Power n Glory]

Not the board - the shareholders! The ones who stood to make all the cash and when you stand back and take a look it certainly appears the last few seasons have been all about setting the club up for sale. That seems to have been the #1 priority. Can Wenger dictate on something like that? I doubt it. £500mill and even PHW can grow a set. There was more to the Fabregas/ Nasri thing than has been made public, enough slipped out to suggest Wenger may not have been fully on board. But as is the way with any company hierarchy, the shareholders will trump the manager every time if they insist. Maybe it's true that a prospective replacement for Wenger would demand investment, our lot would probably settle for no manager at all then.

If any of that were true we'd have sold Cesc when Barca wanted him a season before. It was football related and we had players unhappy with the club and wanting to leave. If we sell RVP this season, you can't say he was forced out of the door, the bottom line is, he's grown frustrated with the cycle we see each season.

Also, the shareholders can't dictate what we do as club at that sort of level. Not in regards to us selling players and what happens on the pitch. Advising the manager to sell his best players when he's reluctant to do so is suicidal. Actually believing that this has been happening for a number of years is crazy as well. Wenger's structure and policies have lead them here and shares have grown because of his management style and structure. Are we now saying he's being lead by the Shareholders? People that know nothing about football. And we've seen the AGM outburst a few seasons ago when he had that outburst as if shareholders have no business questioning his managerial decisions. He just wouldn't have it. He's not the sort of guy that allows people to tell him how to do his job.

[Daniele]

You can be complementary of Wenger without being so disparaging of George Graham. Graham gave so much to and care so much for the Club both as a player and a Manager. Many of the attributes we love about this Club were formed and developed by Graham. It is why he was and forever will be amongst this Club's greatest ever legends and you'd do well to make yourself aware of and remember that.

he was sacked for a bung scandal then went on to manage Spurs. Let us not forget it.