Reality

[Joker]

Rubbish, We have only Recently got Rich Owners Same with the mancs and even before we got them we were able to win the league through what we earned, City and Chavs were not its that simple.

So you're saying the Bracewell-Smith family, the Hill-Wood family, Danny Fizman, Richard Carr etc were not rich individuals?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sure, but that was because the other teams were not up to it. Some of them could have competed had they chosen to make the effort. Clubs like Liverpool and Newcastle, for instance, have a massive fan base and should have been able to compete on the financial side at the time (before the sugar daddy shit started) - but they did not invest wisely in getting good managers who could last over time.

I have said before that football was better when I started watching in the early 1970s where there were half a dozen teams who, at the start of the season, could have felt they had a realistic chance of making a title challenge, so when you won it, there was a big sense of achievement. At any one time there might be a couple of teams that are the more likely candidates but they used to come and go more often. Before the PL started up, only Liverpool dominated for a long period but at lease that was not based on cash. It was based on having Shankly and then Paisley build up a team and a mentality over a long period.

A lot of the failing clubs who should have been competing in recent years might take a look at how often they change their manager and have to pretty well start again, then wonder why they never win anything.

Yeah i think the majority of people in the country/world would feel the same way. Guessing those days there was no pussy footing around just men playing the game they love and enjoying it.

I started watching footie in the late 80s But even that was not as bad as it is today. I Just have Faith in the game or the twats that run the sport and until Blatter and Platini Step down this sport will always be a shambles tbh.

[Coney]

Wenger had to introduce foreign players to win the league.

PL teams have played with foreign players for years. When we won the double in 1971, we had Pat Rice, Frank McLintoch, George Graham and Eddie Kelly. Chavs were the first club to play a team of all foreigners. (Well, if you discount Cardiff in the 1930s who had a team of Welshmen).

Even Manu, with their record, had to buy a foreign manager and then bring in lots of foreigners. Ditto the big Liverpool period - Paisley build on what a scot had build, with a Welsh captain and welsh/scots to get his results.

[Coney]

So you're saying the Bracewell-Smith family, the Hill-Wood family, Danny Fizman, Richard Carr etc were not rich individuals?

Yes, but while they owned the club, they were not pumping their own money into it - they made it pay it's way by spending only what it earned.

[Joker]

Why is Russian/Arab petro money more morally offensive than the inherited wealth of the Eton elite who have owned the majority of our shares until recently?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So you're saying the Bracewell-Smith family, the Hill-Wood family, Danny Fizman, Richard Carr etc were not rich individuals?

They were as rich as most people on Boards of most teams tbh. Im sure they were as rich as the people at West ham.

And these people were not our Owners they were on a board. Not 1 person called the shots or had overall control. They are not as Rich as Roman or the Guy at city Hence why they sold their shares.

[Cripps_orig]

Why is Russian/Arab petro money more morally offensive than the inherited wealth of the Eton elite who have owned the majority of our shares until recently?

I dont recall the Eton elite spending £400m in a couple of seasons

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Why is Russian/Arab petro money more morally offensive than the inherited wealth of the Eton elite who have owned the majority of our shares until recently?

Lets just say these people did not get their money from being nice. The russian got his money from corruption and everyone in Russia will tell you that. Same for the Arab i guess Oil money but i doubt he worked hard to get that money tbh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I dont recall the Eton elite spending £400m in a couple of seasons

Pretty much.

[Coney]

I dont recall the Eton elite spending £400m in a couple of seasons

Well, not on the Arsenal, anyway.