I'd like to see you put your money were your mouth is. I have no idea where we'll be next summer, but some of you seem to be 100% sure. So, pick a forfeit.Originally Posted by Ach
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I'd like to see you put your money were your mouth is. I have no idea where we'll be next summer, but some of you seem to be 100% sure. So, pick a forfeit.
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If Wenger is still in charge? We'll be in exactly the same place talking about the same shit as we are doing now, done last year, the year before and so on
And i never bet. The house always wins
Huh? I'm not some glory hunting twat that demands success and ignores context. Id much rather *hope* for rule changes that stop money ruining the game than for our most successful manager to be dumped for not fluking a cup win or choosing short term success over the long term health of the club unlike so many managers who have been sacked, or sacked twice in the EPL.
I'm not blind to his faults, but I speak to far too many supporters of other clubs, and see to many random games of football to think they are unique to him, or absent to in even the best managers in the business.
The funny thing is I speak to real AKBs, tell them of his faults and how last summer and the squads lack of investment but tbf, they are the hopeful ones. No matter who's in charge, who's playing or who were playing against, they believe. Which is the total opposite of the BS festering here.
Hillariously, zimm, convinces himself, then the rest of the forum that we will never win anything, then blames Wenger. What next? Blame Wenger for getting cancer? Jesus get over yourselves.
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Last edited by AKBapologist; 30-05-2012 at 09:17 PM.
In this case, it would be wenger, so you can't lose amirite?
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The long term health of the club wouldn't have been jeopardised by Wenger signing 2-3 more quality players that could have made the difference in the last 7 years.
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I convince myself and then the rest of the forum...really? You mean people don't have their own minds and can't form their own opinions?
I blame Wenger for failure to pick up a single trophy in 7 years yes, he's the manager, he is suppose to deal with the playing side, so yes he's to blame, who else would I blame, the Dalai Lama?
He's shown himself to be incapable of providing any kind of success, showing a lack of tactical astuteness, an inability to identify and fix problems areas, an inability to motivate or discipline and he's shown he's unable to adapt and be flexible when required. He signs the same kind of players who can't shoot or lack the professionalism and focus to go 90 minutes without switching off, he's had chance after chance to put this right and everytime he's failed.
There's bad luck then there's bad judgement, 7 years of failure isn't due to bad luck alone...I'd rather we took a punt and crashed and burned then stayed as we are with the same cycle repeating itself over and over again, at least if we see a change there's a chance we might challenge for something, with Wenger there's two hopes, Bob hope and no hope he's shown that.
The board are not blameless either, they take a lot of blame too for sticking with him and of course seemingly being happy watching the profits roll in rather than being interested in seeing the football club flourish, they're both to blame for different reasons.
Last edited by Özim; 30-05-2012 at 09:32 PM.
Zimm - your first point is that cant provide success, there is no argument on that based on the 7 seasons if you like. three finals and no wins so am not going to argue with that point.
this year though with tatics he improved. yes he fucekd up majorly for first half of the season but then he seemed to get it right. you dont go on a 7 game winning streak without some good tatics. he used players to neutralise threats instead of just playing them to play the Arsenal way. the tottenham game for example. he played yossi instead of the ox to help counter bale etc. so credit must be given there. his three subsitiutions against sunderland away worked, ramsay scored when he could have brought on a defender to replace merts but he didnt. arshavin and henry were the other two, arsahvin set up henry to score winner. good subsitions there. at west brom away, he brougth on gibbs who provdided us with a tackle that won us CL football and moved santos up the ptich for a bit to help out so he did improve on that. im not saying he was brilliant all season but there were improvements in his tatics.
inabitly to motivate changed as well this year, we produced some storming results this year, the city win, the tottenham win, the chavs win. they werent lucky they were deserved wins. his players must have been down after the 4-0 hammering but he picked them up again and they won. they came back from losing five times in a row. that shows he had them motivtated. this is the best team spirit we have had in years. thats down to wenger. as you say you blame wenger for poor spirit etc so you ahve to credit him for raising it again. again his fault at the start but he changed and got it back up again. improvement there so must be given credit. you cannot just moan about him about everything and then when he does get it right on mistakes from earlier this season not give him credit.
you cant blame wenger for getting us in the mess and then not give him some credit for rescuing it. yes he should never have got us in that posistion in the first place and it was a major fuck up on his part and the boards for not spending. however he turned it around and does deserve some credit for it.
and using one goal as difference between europa league and champions league is irrelavnt. we won third place because we deserved it. thats a fact. over the season we proved to be the thrid best team in england. no one else did. you cant jsut say well if that goal wasnt ruled out wrongly it would have been different or if that penalty had been given etc. you cant alter that. football is about fine lines and we were the right side because we deserved to be the right side of it
Just WTF are you going on about here? What belief are you alluding to that we are lacking? Only thing we have had to believe in over the past 6 seasons is that we'll limp over the line that puts us in next season's CL. And it's not like we gonna be believeing that we're gonna put up a challenge for that cup either.
Where is our ambition? Our yearning for success? FFS, Pep's success was almost immeasurable and he threw in the towel after 1 season of faltering. We have a manager who's incapable of @ least making a match winning substition and we're content with his shytt excuses and 7 trophyless seasons.
And I don't wanna hear about Board, they fuqqing pay him well to manage the club and clearly there is money @ his disposal to buy @ least a few quality players, but he prefers to BS us about not seeing anyone good enough. This after he signed the likes of Chamakh, Ramsey, Diaby, Park and the rest of dead weight we have decked out in our kit.
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