Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

[Grebbo]

If we sell Cesc for less than £40m we've been raped and our club is a fucking joke. The whole point of him signing a long, and VERY lucrative contract, is so we can get market rate for him.

Tell Barca to fuck right off.

Why is our club being run so badly??!!

[LDG]

If I'm honest, I'd respect him a lot more if he just came out and admitted it hasn't worked (which after 6 years would be fine IMO). He could then moe forward and start to rebuild, problem, is he'll never admit that and still thinks it's working great and the attitude of the players is spot on.

Sod off. He came out and said that he takes the blame fully for last season. What more do you expect?

[alexander]

My money is on Nasri taking over in the middle...and I like the idea of that, because he's quicker, more direct, more selfish and better going forward with the ball at his feet.

He may not have Cecs talent in spotting a pass, or dictating the pace of the game (which needs to be faster anyway), but he'll give a new dimension if he makes that foward midfield berth his own.

agree totally.

[selassie]

Well quite.

He does need to spend. That is very evident. Moreso if he sells Fabregas.

Look, I blame Wenger for a lot of things that are currently wrong with the team. Need I go through them again?? I blame him for the footballing matters, because he is the manager.

The team we had last year SHOULD have won the league. Therefore I blame Wenger for not sorting the issues he himself aluded to in both transfer windows last year, but mostly for being ignorant to obvious mistakes on the pitch, and lack of leadership.

Fabregas is not, and never will be a good captain. But there are reasons why we made him captain (some good, some bad). There comes a time, for player and club, where a change is necessary. But I have no doubt, that if we are selling him, there is good in it for us too.

We as a club will not, and will never bow down to other teams. Henry left because it was time, as did vieira. And we sold because it was the right time for the club too. If Cesc is going, it's because we're letting him go, and there will be a replacement, and that replacement is where Wenger can work his magic. But that also very much depends on whether he's going to push the boat out fully this time, or paddle it out a little bit and stay out of the current.

I'm not foolish enough to believe there isn't problems with the club, the team and the manager right now. But from where I was sitting last year, there wasn't this massive gulf in class between us and Utd, and I believe we held our own against Barca. It was all to do with fragility of mind, and organisation when it mattered.

I agree we lacked a few extra pieces of playerware in the sideboard, but it doesn't alter the fact that we weren't THAT far away.

Cesc or no cesc. The manager HAS to buy quality. He has to instill leadership, organisation and respect within the team. And as I've said before, I will disown the cunt if he doesn't do it this summer, as I think will every Arsenal fan. But until then, I'll back him, because I still believe he is a good manager, and I'm hoping (as all good football fans do, hope in a new season) with his back to the wall, he'll do the necessary.

I hear ya, I do think we're pretty much in the same place in regards to our thoughts on the team and it's management etc.

I just think we differ slightly when it comes to Arsene, I don't trust him where as it seems you do.

[Letters]

No chance, the last 6 years has tainted what he's achieved before forever.

I can't believe a manager who was supposedly so great has gone from that to this to be honest, I actually can't stand pretty much everything he does and says these days........ and that's totally his fault, he needn't have been this stubborn or fixated on a ridiculous set of ideals. He's made himself look quite foolish in recent years, both with his comments and his behaviour IMO.

For me personally it will be a relief when he leaves, I might be able to look forward to seeing our matches again, as well as look forward to transfer windows. Got to admit, right now not missing football at all and not too bothered about the new season, that I have Wenger to thank for.

No, after a brief honeymoon period you'll just find a load of new things to moan about whilst refusing to concede that things were better under Wenger.

[Darth Vela]

I think a little of that is lost in translation.

The "It's because the club doesn't want me" bit, can be interpreted that, we are willing to let him go. And I would hope, because we're confident of filling the void in one way, shape, or form.

My money is on Nasri taking over in the middle...and I like the idea of that, because he's quicker, more direct, more selfish and better going forward with the ball at his feet.

He may not have Cecs talent in spotting a pass, or dictating the pace of the game (which needs to be faster anyway), but he'll give a new dimension if he makes that foward midfield berth his own.

I guess it could just be that we aren't falling over ourselves to keep him rather than actively wanting rid of him.

You may well be right about it working out nicely switching Nasri there, allowing our midfielders (the proper ones) to do more of the dictation and giving him a free reign in the middle but I'm just not convinced for some reason, maybe I'm just feeling a bit conservative about changing the team round a bit too much, they failed though so nothing much to lose, really.

[Darth Vela]

Sod off. He came out and said that he takes the blame fully for last season. What more do you expect?

No, no, no, that can't have happened. Wenger is a moaning hypocrite who never takes responsibility for failure and refuses to change anything, ever.

The Internet told me, so it must be true.

[LDG]

I hear ya, I do think we're pretty much in the same place in regards to our thoughts on the team and it's management etc.

I just think we differ slightly when it comes to Arsene, I don't trust him where as it seems you do.

Hmmm. Trust him...I dunno. I believe he is a top manager who could still win us things, yes. Trust him to do what is right at this point in time. I'm on the fence.

To say, as some are, that we buy nobodies is a load of old shite. When you look at last years team, there are plenty of players that most clubs would give there right testicle for. That's evident with Nasri and Cesc right now...but do you not think SAF would cream himself if we offered him Sagna, Wilshere, Ramsey, Walcott, RVP etc??? They are fucking good players, all of which Wenger has bought, and for not very much money really.

Those who think Wenger is deluded are cleary very blind.

BUT, he has failed to address relatively simple problems on the pitch. And it is these which make me doubt him. I've ratteled them off on this board so many times (defence, organisation, leadership, respect for the opposition *sigh*) that I don't know how much more clear I can be.

He is responsible for this. He has admitted blame for this.

What I want to see is those mistake rectified. He is more than capable as a manager of sorting those, but for me, he needs to start focusing more on the team. The business will take care of itself...moreso if he builds a winning team again.

If he continues to fanny around with the business side of things, and not pay heed to the problem areas on the pitch, he is not right for the club anymore, because that is what he is employed to do. He has done massive things for the club, MASSIVE. Anyone who can't see that is a fool.

But, Arsene, it's time to get back to basics of managing a football team now. Let "the Company" take care of itself please.

[Letters]

Hmmm. Trust him...I dunno. I believe he is a top manager who could still win us things, yes. Trust him to do what is right at this point in time. I'm on the fence.

To say, as some are, that we buy nobodies is a load of old shite. When you look at last years team, there are plenty of players that most clubs would give there right testicle for. That's evident with Nasri and Cesc right now...but do you not think SAF would cream himself if we offered him Sagna, Wilshere, Ramsey, Walcott, RVP etc??? They are fucking good players, all of which Wenger has bought, and for not very much money really.

Those who think Wenger is deluded are cleary very blind.

BUT, he has failed to address relatively simple problems on the pitch. And it is these which make me doubt him. I've ratteled them off on this board so many times (defence, organisation, leadership, respect for the opposition *sigh*) that I don't know how much more clear I can be.

He is responsible for this. He has admitted blame for this.

What I want to see is those mistake rectified. He is more than capable as a manager of sorting those, but for me, he needs to start focusing more on the team. The business will take care of itself...moreso if he builds a winning team again.

If he continues to fanny around with the business side of things, and not pay heed to the problem areas on the pitch, he is not right for the club anymore, because that is what he is employed to do. He has done massive things for the club, MASSIVE. Anyone who can't see that is a fool.

But, Arsene, it's time to get back to basics of managing a football team now. Let "the Company" take care of itself please.

Great post. This isn't the time for rose tinted glasses but some of the nonsense about Wenger as if he's suddently this bumbling idiot is bollox.
He's kept us top 4 amid the most complex stadium move any club has undertaken.
But he has failed to deliver trophies despite having a squad which is good enough to.
Can he turn it around? I'm not sure. But it's bollox to think if we sack him then any idiot could do better.

[Cripps_orig]

Anyone thinking Fabregas is acting honorably in all this is clearly deluding themselves.

I don't give a damn about value anymore, either let him rot at the Club or just get rid of the shit - either way suits me now.

But gotta say, one thing that sickens me more than any of the douchebaggery by and sanctioned by Cesc is the fucking apologists here that somehow reckon we owe some twat that we've paid £110k per week.

Do.

We.

Fuck.

The words spot fucking on come to mind when reading that post.