Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

[Power n Glory]

nah, spot on from arseblog

I agree with that. We can't keep repeating the same mistakes while expecting a different outcome. Nasri hasn't even signed a new contract yet and people are already pipping him to take on Cesc's role. The same guy that had one good spell at the start of the season then fell off during the business end.

I'm not happy about us selling Cesc but it's time for him to go. 8 years and we've won nothing. Cesc doesn't slow down our play, we just have an unbalanced squad. We've got too many none direct, playmakers/wingers like Rosicky, Arshavin and Nasri playing for us outwide, plus we've wasted a lot of time playing guys like Denilson and Diaby in the middle of the field, when we've needed a Wilshere type for morning. Wenger could have easily played Rosicky, Hleb or Nasri in the middle with Cesc with proper direct threat wingers on the flanks, but instead he went for this bastardised 'total football' style that doesn't work. We've wasted seasons playing square pegs in round holes and I still can't understand why he played Diaby and Eboue on the flanks. Those types of decisions have held us back and it's not just the one off game he'd do this.

Losing Cesc won't correct anything. When a manager plays Diaby and Eboue out on the flanks, then something is wrong. Neither of them are any good at passing or decision making, so why do it? For years, I've thought a Nasri/Hleb/Rosicky type would work well in a 4-3-3. Instead, we kept playing a 4-4-2 and when Wenger finally clocked on to playing 3 in the middle, he decides to play Denilson and Diaby in the middle. It's really frustrating to see this. We can sell Cesc, but our problems won't end. Wenger wants to play Total Football and we'll continue to see the same results with or without Cesc.

[Marc Overmars]

When you consider Nasri and Cesc already want to leave whilst Wenger is in charge, what difference does it make if they leave if Wenger goes?

This.

They don't care about Wenger or his philosophy, at the end of the day they're typical footballers who only care about themselves. They probably laugh at him behind his back.

Wenger should man up and boot them into touch because his kids aren't kids anymore.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

answer me this, a lot of players are here because of wenger. if he goes, nasri will be off, cesc will be off and i think others would be too. pre season starts next week, we wouldnt have a new manager in in time, i reckon it would take about 3-4 weeks to get one in. almost start of season. giving not much time in transfer market and deals taht are supposedly being done now, (cahill samba etc) would be compromised without a manager or wenger.

they want to leave this season, so thats where your argument or point becomes invalid. Thar aargument of players wanting to play for Wenger and will leave once he leaves is dated and really ain't true no more.

Players like Cesc and Nasri are playing for themselves no one else.

[Özim]

This.

They don't care about Wenger or his philosophy

Who does except for Wenger and the board?

We've got nothing to lose by getting rid of Wenger IMO, but potentially so much to gain...it's a no brainer for me he should be replaced.

[selassie]

I agree with that. We can't keep repeating the same mistakes while expecting a different outcome. Nasri hasn't even signed a new contract yet and people are already pipping him to take on Cesc's role. The same guy that had one good spell at the start of the season then fell off during the business end.

I'm not happy about us selling Cesc but it's time for him to go. 8 years and we've won nothing. Cesc doesn't slow down our play, we just have an unbalanced squad. We've got too many none direct, playmakers/wingers like Rosicky, Arshavin and Nasri playing for us outwide, plus we've wasted a lot of time playing guys like Denilson and Diaby in the middle of the field, when we've needed a Wilshere type for morning. Wenger could have easily played Rosicky, Hleb or Nasri in the middle with Cesc with proper direct threat wingers on the flanks, but instead he went for this bastardised 'total football' style that doesn't work. We've wasted seasons playing square pegs in round holes and I still can't understand why he played Diaby and Eboue on the flanks. Those types of decisions have held us back and it's not just the one off game he'd do this.

Losing Cesc won't correct anything. When a manager plays Diaby and Eboue out on the flanks, then something is wrong. Neither of them are any good at passing or decision making, so why do it? For years, I've thought a Nasri/Hleb/Rosicky type would work well in a 4-3-3. Instead, we kept playing a 4-4-2 and when Wenger finally clocked on to playing 3 in the middle, he decides to play Denilson and Diaby in the middle. It's really frustrating to see this. We can sell Cesc, but our problems won't end. Wenger wants to play Total Football and we'll continue to see the same results with or without Cesc.

Top post P'n'G, I'm with you all the way on this.

[selassie]

Who does except for Wenger and the board?

We've got nothing to lose by getting rid of Wenger IMO, but potentially so much to gain...it's a no brainer for me he should be replaced.

Well I personally wanted him gone last season and still want him gone now.

Some folks might like me saying this and may think I'm being a bit dramatic but Wenger is doing more damage than good now.

[Cripps_orig]

The trust in Wenger is gone.

Our captain wants to leave. Fans dont trust Wenger. No doubt RVP would want to leave as well but he realises this is as good as it gets for him cos no other club would be stupid enough to keep a player on mega wages who misses a big chunk of every season so he keeps quiet.

I think Cesc fucking off will hurt Wenger. Unlike Henry and Vieira, Cesc came up through the youth team and is Wengers baby.

Hopefully it hurts him enough that he never recovers from it and he leaves Arsenal.

One can only hope

[Ollie the Optimist]

The trust in Wenger is gone.

Our captain wants to leave. Fans dont trust Wenger. No doubt RVP would want to leave as well but he realises this is as good as it gets for him cos no other club would be stupid enough to keep a player on mega wages who misses a big chunk of every season so he keeps quiet.

I think Cesc fucking off will hurt Wenger. Unlike Henry and Vieira, Cesc came up through the youth team and is Wengers baby.

Hopefully it hurts him enough that he never recovers from it and he leaves Arsenal.

One can only hope

you sir are an idiot

[Cripps_orig]

you sir are an idiot

Says the guy who thinks Wenger leaving will mean Cesc and Nasri will leave

I assume the fact they want to leave anyway doesnt come in to it?

[Ollie the Optimist]

they want to leave this season, so thats where your argument or point becomes invalid. Thar aargument of players wanting to play for Wenger and will leave once he leaves is dated and really ain't true no more.

Players like Cesc and Nasri are playing for themselves no one else.

i take your point but my argument is still valid to some extents because last year it was wenger that made him stay (yes ok barca didnt offer enough) but it was still wenger that made him stay, i think if cesc does stay and nasri does it will be down to wenger, there is hope (small though i grant you) but if those two stay, it will be because of wengers input nothing more