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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    well argued against that specific point. nothing sarcastic and pointless about what you said at all.
    Your original point is utter balls - implying he'd be right to leave when he has received by and large - immense support and patience - hardly deserving of us to have him bugger off at the first sign of him delivering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    He hit a purple patch from February - from the 2nd half against Spurs to be precise.

    I'd love him to keep at or around that level - again, my point has been about TT's post I replied to - over his career here, the fans have shown a lot of patience with him and we don't deserve for him to walk away at the first sign of him delivering.
    he has been - for the past two seasons. even by the time it got to feb he had about 8 or so assists.

    that patience is the minimum expected when watching a player develop through his teenage years and since he hit 21 he has taken big strides, as the stats show. yet sky footbal mean we haven't got time to wait, he should become the player we expect before his time. very few players 'make it' so early. although the ever increasing frustration amongst fans about the club continues to funnel through walcott for example, when in fact he has been one of few that has contributed to us staying alive in the top four.

    taking all that into account, he might well look at the club in general and think 'fuck me if i'm going to keep getting this hassle when i don't deserve it'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    he has been - for the past two seasons. even by the time it got to feb he had about 8 or so assists.

    that patience is the minimum expected when watching a player develop through his teenage years and since he hit 21 he has taken big strides, as the stats show. although the ever increasing frustration amongst fans about the club continues to funnel through walcott for example, when in fact he has been one of few that has contributed to us staying alive in the top four.

    taking all that into account, he might well look at the club in general and think 'fuck me if i'm going to keep getting this hassle when i don't deserve it'.
    Minimum expected?

    He had his name shouted from the fucking rafters every time he managed not to lose a ball or run into a stationary player - for years.

    A lot of players - an awful lot of players would bite their fucking hands off for the support Walcott has got.
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    yes, supporting a teenage player through his teenage years is the minimum we should do as a fan. if he develops into a nothing past 21/22 then sure, write him off. but he has now developed into a key player for the team.

    i'm not sure why we deserve a pat on the back for supporting a young player through those years. to continue to write him off now is just ridiculous.

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    He is an incredibly frustrating player a lot of the time, especially given that he's technically quite mediocre and we've had some players like Pires in the past who were technically fantastic. However, his stats last season were very good, and apart from RVP he was the only player contributing with goals/assists.

    I think he should try to develop into a Ljungberg type player from out wide. Ljungberg was also not technically amazing, but his runs from the right wing and finishing was outstanding, and if Walcott can continue to develop his finishing and off the ball movement, while at the same time contributing enough with the ball, he'll become a very good player given his limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    yes, supporting a teenage player through his teenage years is the minimum we should do as a fan. if he develops into a nothing past 21/22 then sure, write him off. but he has now developed into a key player for the team.

    i'm not sure why we deserve a pat on the back for supporting a young player through those years. to continue to write him off now is just ridiculous.
    You were implying he should leave.

    He didn't just get support that you give a kid coming on for you - he got more sustained support, no matter what than I can recall any other player getting in similar circumstances.

    THEO was sung around the ground repeatedly for the most minimal impact, and to suggest that after circa 7 years of support and development that he should fuck-off just as he shows signs of delivering is the only thing I have issue with.
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    people say they want more creativity in the final third and that we've been lacking any real vigour when we attack this season but at the same time they want us to sell a winger who's been at the top of our goals/assists chart for a number of seasons. he may be inconsistent throughout the season but he's consistent at providing assists, and in a team that overdoes tippy tappy football and i personally feel is generally one dimensional, selling theo would be a huge mistake as he can completely change a game (as we saw the other night). what kind of message does it send out if we sell a player who's provided the most assists for us over the past few years, especially at such a young age? he's the type of player that could really haunt us in the future if we decide to sell him because i can only see him improving at another club. with ox coming into the frame it provides theo interesting competition as he used to be the first name on the team sheet, now he finds his position under threat. it will only help him get better and provide him an incentive to improve, much like the lehmann/almunia situation got the best out of almunia a few years back.

    you cant expect to win trophies and league titles by constantly selling your best players, and whether people like it or not, theo is a very important player for us. he's still got plenty of time to improve so id rather stick it out and hope for the best rather than get rid and regret it further down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    You were implying he should leave.

    He didn't just get support that you give a kid coming on for you - he got more sustained support, no matter what than I can recall any other player getting in similar circumstances.

    THEO was sung around the ground repeatedly for the most minimal impact, and to suggest that after circa 7 years of support and development that he should fuck-off just as he shows signs of delivering is the only thing I have issue with.
    No from the very first post you quoted I indicated I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to - there is a difference.

    he isn't showing signs, he IS delivering - why you can't see that I do not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    No from the very first post you quoted I indicated I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to - there is a difference.

    he isn't showing signs, he IS delivering - why you can't see that I do not know.
    I would blame him if he did - he has had massive support over the years, your post indicating otherwise is way off the mark. To suggest otherwise indicates you don't go to matches very often.

    And yes, they are signs because in order to be assessed as delivering, you have to do it consistently. I've already pinpointed right from the half of the game where he started to do that.

    Lets hope he keeps it up next season, because despite his limitations, he has some key weapons in his armoury and he needs to keep up this latest round of development. Him pissing off at the first sign of delivering and a fan understanding that is incomprehensible.
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    again you've taken what you want from my post. he has also taken a lot of stick and continues to do so, which is spot on.

    you pinpointed the tottenham game, when he was already well on the way to delivering early in the season before a dip in form.

    him clearing off after too much unwarranted stick is something i wouldn't hold against him, whether you can get your head around that or not is none of my concern.

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