Clichy has left. And Nasri in talks with Citeh.

[selassie]

And for a vast majority they thought he would go on to be just as good, there was no issue in the fans mind about him as a replacement. Nasri was also an adeuqate replecement for Hleb.

It's just lazy to throw a blanket statement out that he never replaces quality with similar. Gervinho would be a good replacement for Nasri - there is no one in this league that we could buy to come in and hit the ground running. The hype of Nasri is just that, so far he has shown flashes and 6 months, hardly world class.

So because there was no issue in the fans mind that makes him as good as Cole then? Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Is he as good as Cole or not?

Gervinho in time will most likely be a adequate replacement for Nasri but we need instant results. We don't need to be waiting 2 seasons for players to develop, have you not seen our performances over the past 3-4 seasons?

Also...your statement of there is no one in this league who would hit the ground running? What on earth are you talking about?

P.S. I did edit my original reply to LDG stating that Arsene doesn't adequately replace our players immediately. E.G. He sells an established player and buys a Project player.

[Niall_Quinn]

With so many suitable candidates to be pushed out the door it's a bit of a laugh we have settled on Clichy, Nasri and Cesc. Typical really. Shame we can't get rid of Robin so we can have the fuck up of all transfer windows to go with the fuck up of all seasons we just had.

[Darth Vela]

I dunno, it wasn't Denilson and Bendtner that were in the first team for the majority of our collapse, it was Nasri and Cesc.

Seems a little strange for everyone to be agitating for major changes in the team then when it actually happens turn around and say we didn't mean THAT much change, Cesc and Nasri were as big a part of the failure as anyone, I'd rather keep them but when it's obvious change is needed, a bit of risk needs to be taken.

[Kano]

So because there was no issue in the fans mind that makes him as good as Cole then? Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Is he as good as Cole or not?

Gervinho in time will most likely be a adequate replacement for Nasri but we need instant results. We don't need to be waiting 2 seasons for players to develop, have you not seen our performances over the past 3-4 seasons?

Also...your statement of there is no one in this league who would hit the ground running? What on earth are you talking about?

P.S. I did edit my original reply to LDG stating that Arsene doesn't adequately replace our players immediately. E.G. He sells an established player and buys a Project player.

well it was all spelled out very clearly but i'll repeat myself

AT THE TIME, Clichy was viewed as an adequate replacement. You said he never replaces like for like, when at the time of actually replacing him he was deemed as so, and even potentially better. Imagine this scenario. We buy a recognised player you think is good enough and they turn out not to be in the long run. Are you then going to criticise him for that when at the time you were happy and thought he was good enough? It doesn't make sense to use hindsight as a criticism in this case.

There is no one we could buy to replace Nasri from the Prem that could come in and be an equal replacement. They are all at big teams that would not sell to us.

[Power n Glory]

I dunno, it wasn't Denilson and Bendtner that were in the first team for the majority of our collapse, it was Nasri and Cesc.

Seems a little strange for everyone to be agitating for major changes in the team then when it actually happens turn around and say we didn't mean THAT much change, Cesc and Nasri were as big a part of the failure as anyone, I'd rather keep them but when it's obvious change is needed, a bit of risk needs to be taken.

Only a few fools suggested we needed to wipe the slate clean. This is throwing out the baby with the bath water. And let's not kid ourselves, Wenger doesn't want to lose Cesc and Nasri. This isn't a change. We are doing what we always do. When the big clubs come knocking, Wenger and the Board bend over. A real change would be adding more fire power and steel to this team. That is what most teams do.

[selassie]

well it was all spelled out very clearly but i'll repeat myself

AT THE TIME, Clichy was viewed as an adequate replacement. You said he never replaces like for like, when at the time of actually replacing him he was deemed as so, and even potentially better. Imagine this scenario. We buy a recognised player you think is good enough and they turn out not to be in the long run. Are you then going to criticise him for that when at the time you were happy and thought he was good enough? It doesn't make sense to use hindsight as a criticism in this case.

There is no one we could buy to replace Nasri from the Prem that could come in and be an equal replacement. They are all at big teams that would not sell to us.

Spelt out clearly you mean?

At the time Clichy was an inferior replacement for Cole, he was a downgrade. I stand by my point that Arsene pretty much never replaces like for like.

My point has nothing to do with us buying recognised players and those said players flopping so I've got no idea why you've brought this into the conversation, please keep on topic.

I'm not sure I agree with your point regarding a replacement for Nasri from the Prem. I think someone like Ashley Young whilst not being as cultured and not having as much potential as Nasri could well of been an instant hit at Arsenal.

For example, look at Valencia at United, he pretty much hit the ground running and has really contributed to their success over the past few seasons.

[Özim]

well it was all spelled out very clearly but i'll repeat myself

AT THE TIME, Clichy was viewed as an adequate replacement. You said he never replaces like for like, when at the time of actually replacing him he was deemed as so, and even potentially better. Imagine this scenario. We buy a recognised player you think is good enough and they turn out not to be in the long run. Are you then going to criticise him for that when at the time you were happy and thought he was good enough? It doesn't make sense to use hindsight as a criticism in this case.

There is no one we could buy to replace Nasri from the Prem that could come in and be an equal replacement. They are all at big teams that would not sell to us.

No, what happened is people were very bitter about Cole put their faith in Clichy who had shown potential when covering.

Clichy was never a like for like replacement for Cole, like for like would be world class for world class, Clichy wasn't as he hadn't been a regular.

Sure we put up with him because of the situation, but personally if given the choice I'd have kept Cole one of the best full backs in the world.

I think Clichy did OK but he wasn't a like for like replacement, because that would be like saying replacing Vieira with Flamini is a like for like replacement, it clearly isn't.

Selassie is right, Wenger always looks for the cheap option, if we lose our top players this summer don't expect top quality world class players to come in, Wenger will once again try and find someone who he thinks can do the job rather than someone who is proven.

[north bank nutter]

Clichy was an adequate replacement for Ashley Cole. Just he has not progressed and if anything stagnated. His mistake a few seasons ago vs B'mgham cost us the league. He has not been the same since.

[Ollie the Optimist]

to those who hate clichy, just one stat for you

90 – Gael Clichy won more tackles (90) than any other defender in the 2010/11 Premier League season. Wanted.

justsaying

[GP]

to those who hate clichy, just one stat for you

justsaying

Yeah, but his brain only works for 85 mins at a time.

He needs replacing tbh.