Clichy has left. And Nasri in talks with Citeh.

[Özim]

Can't understand some of the hate on here.

Me neither, it seems that as soon as a player says or does something they don't want to hear they make him public eneney number.

The fans don't believe Wenger can win anything anymore, he doesn't seem too bothered about making quality signings that will make a difference, so why should players who have one year left sign up for another few years when they could go to a club with better prospects and more ambition.

Don't blame the guy and if Wenger doesn't sign any decent players soon he'll be making the right choice for his career if he decides to move on IMO.

[Master Splinter]

He scored more goals last season than Nani, Walcott, Bale, Drogba, Modric, the same amount as VdV and one less than Rooney. Most of those players make various 'players of the season' teams and are jizzed about numerous times on here.

Drogba, Nani and Rooney have proved their abilities over numerous seasons. Nani and Rooney were also among the highest assisters. They have all won many titles. Walcott is far more efficient, as he is injured often but still provides a higher assists and goals ratio. Modric plays as a central midfielder. He's not a forward player like the others. He's better than Bale, I'll give you that.

People on GW often mock stats, and to be fair and consistent, we could mock them here too. As in, "Alot of his goals came against lower-placed teams, as +1s in losses, in Cup ties and there were a few penalties too." I've seen this logic used to degrade the acheivements of other players before.

If he's going for titles, choosing United would be understandable. Choosing City would not be. They may be contenders in the future, but so far they have only won one FA Cup so have no pedigree.

[Coney]

Drogba, Nani and Rooney have proved their abilities over numerous seasons. Nani and Rooney were also among the highest assisters. They have all won many titles. Walcott is far more efficient, as he is injured often but still provides a higher assists and goals ratio. Modric plays as a central midfielder. He's not a forward player like the others. He's better than Bale, I'll give you that.

People on GW often mock stats, and to be fair and consistent, we could mock them here too. As in, "Alot of his goals came against lower-placed teams, as +1s in losses, in Cup ties and there were a few penalties too." I've seen this logic used to degrade the acheivements of other players before.

If he's going for titles, choosing United would be understandable. Choosing City would not be. They may be contenders in the future, but so far they have only won one FA Cup so have no pedigree.

The problem with the stats is that they are only a partial indication of how good a player is. Seeing how many goals a player scored in Spain does not compare with how many a player scores in Italy, as Italian defences are more resiliant than Spanish ones - in any case, the kind of opposition you get in the different leagues varies a lot. Some have a couple of top teams and the rest are dross, other leagues have a higher proportion of decent teams - teams that it is harder to score against anyway. It also depends on the team he is in, how the manager wants the game played and so on. For instance if the team are a defensive one and go for strong defence and winning a lot of 1-0s, then the same player will have a poorer goal count that if he is in an attacking team where they just go for outscoring the opposition.

There are so many issues, combinations and so on that a straight 'he scored 30 last season and the other guy only scored 18 so he is shit' is not a correct assumption.

[Master Splinter]

There are so many issues, combinations and so on that a straight 'he scored 30 last season and the other guy only scored 18 so he is shit' is not a correct assumption.

Exactly. That's what I was getting at. Boss seemed to be using his goals tally as proof of his superiority. People on here have been hounded down for using stats as 'proof' before, so it is only fair to do the same for Nasri.

His goals came in a block. Players like Rooney score when it matters. It doesn't matter how many he scored. His performances were almost non-existent after Christmas. That's what matters the most.

[Joker]

It's true that Nasri failed to perform when we most needed him. Where was he against Barcelona in the 2nd leg of the UCL? Or the Carling Cup final vs Brum? How about when we needed him to show his so called world class quality at the tail end of the season? I remember very well the one-on-one he missed against Bolton, which gave an indication of what a fairweather player he is. Now, anyone can miss a one-on-one, but that miss, combined with his substandard performances since February onwards told me he's not the type of player you can rely on when the chips are down.

[Boss]

The whole team's performances bar VP were nonexistent after Christmas. Nasri's performances were also a lot, lot different. The first half he was constantly running at players, dribbling, taking shots when possible. The second half he played more of a passing game, and rarely ran at players. Was this sudden change because he 'choked' or because he was instructed to play differently?

Players like Fabregas and Nasri are among the most talented in the world, and are good enough to be a part of a title winning team. I don't think they're backed up by sufficient quality. I'd agree that they need to improve some parts of their individual games and were awful at times last season, but they are two of the players that need least improvement, which is why I can't understand the willingness to chuck them out the door by people on here that clearly aren't thinking straight.

Nasri proved he can score goals and has done it in big games before. So has Fabregas. I think saying that they choked is harsh, and their replacements would be nowhere near similar quality. People on here are butthurt over press reports even though the two have been consistent every time they've spoken.

[Boss]

It's true that Nasri failed to perform when we most needed him. Where was he against Barcelona in the 2nd leg of the UCL? Or the Carling Cup final vs Brum? How about when we needed him to show his so called world class quality at the tail end of the season? I remember very well the one-on-one he missed against Bolton, which gave an indication of what a fairweather player he is. Now, anyone can miss a one-on-one, but that miss, combined with his substandard performances since February onwards told me he's not the type of player you can rely on when the chips are down.

I've seen that 1v1 miss mentioned at least a dozen times on here, which is foolish. You can point to Titi's misses in the CL final, or Bergkamp's miss in the FA Cup semi when ManU won the treble. All top players have bad spells of form, can't see that as an excuse to get rid when he's clearly shown he has the talent to become a world class player.

[AKBapologist]

Yeah, I think Nasri choked. Cesc was injured most of the second half of a season but thats bye the bye in the grander scheme of things. I could say that there 23 years old, plenty left to give... but:
At the end of the day we support the shirt, not the players and if they want to leave for whatever reason - I see no reason why we should defend them. 14 goals, 1 assist. Not stellar tbh.

[Mr. Lahey]

Up there with Messi and Ronaldo? What are you taking? I am sure that the pharmaceutical companies would pay billions for a hallucinogenic drug of such potency.

Are you saying he doesnt have the potential to be one of the best in the world? If so id say your the one who needs to trip, get a new perspective on things.

[AKBapologist]

Are you saying he doesnt have the potential to be one of the best in the world? If so id say your the one who needs to trip, get a new perspective on things.

Nasri's less than a year younger than Messi. If he ain't up there now, he'll never be.