At least Arsene is active in the market this summer and it appears he's going for established/semi-established quality too. Forget about all the 25m+ players City & Chelski are going for, the 15mill+ players that we seem to be in the market for are probably as best as we can attract and to be honest we should have been doing this a long time ago.
For me there is a distinction to be made between how and what we discuss on this message board, what fan groups think, what The AST thinks, what the pure football fan thinks and what the "media fan" thinks. We all have our right to express our view of course, and no one fan is better than another (apart from NBN of course, who is the bestest Arsenal fan ever).
We on here, do take things to a different level than someone who just follows the media transfer merry-go-round, but at the same time,we don't always look at it from a pure footballing perspective. It sometimes comes accross as pretty snooty, it must be said. Because regardless of what anyone says, we are proven to be the 3rd best team in the country right now. It says so in black and white.
Wenger has his critics, no doubt. To me, that can be broken down into many aspects. But if you look at the one that really matters, it's what happens on the football pitch, and I don't think there are many fans now who don't have concerns that he has made made mistakes, and that we really have had enough quality and opportunity to be more successful that we have been. We all know we should have won the league at least once in the four seasons preceeding the last one. It was ours for the taking....THAT is Wenger's fault, and what we should be calling him out on.
We really don't know what is going on at board level, and we can only has at a guess as to what is happenning. My guess is that it is far more about politics and money and power than it is about football. But I do not for one second think that our manager has much influence over that wrangling, other than to threaten his resignation if he doesn't get what he wants. To that degree, I think he has a massive say, but maybe he has some misguided morals / ideals that don't necessarily come to fruition on the football pitch, and in the current football economic climate.
To me, it seems as though something is being freed up. Football does seem to be being pushed toward the forefront again. And if that happens we'll have a lot more fans on side....and it is ultimately what will keep the fans happy.
It's all about football. Fuck the politics. And fuck RVP.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
I want to know whose job it is to sell all the players we don't want and why it is taking so long? I would happily accept free transfers for the lot of them. Wanting 5-8mil for Chamakh is ridiculous considering his last season.
Vela, Arshavin, Chamakh, Bendtner, Squid, Flaps, Park, all command good wages (especially Arshavin) and clubs would want them so just get rid. Why do we keep loaning Denilson out? Just release him FFS
Just adding to this the players i mention there what kind of wages must hey be on?Originally Posted by Flavs
Vela/Flaps 15-20k pw
Arshavin 50-60k pm
Chamakh/Bendtner - 40-50k pw
Squid is apparently on near to 50 a week
That's what, £10mil a season in wages ffs
We're willing to accept very low transfer fees. We're talking about selling Vela for something like 4m euros. The problem is we've committed to paying relatively high wages to guys like Chamakh, Bendtner and others. No clubs want to touch them for exactly reason.
So I guess the question isn't so much who handles our outgoing transfers, but who hands out the generous contracts to unproven players.
A contract should have terms that protect both sides. I doubt we can simply terminate a players contract w/o incurring some penalties or having to face the courts. Not knowing the finer details of whats written in Bendtner, Denilson Arshavin et al contracts but I am sure we cannot simply release them without having to pay some sort of severance parachute for loss of income. The mismangement is giving these players such inflated rates ab initio. These chaps are being paid way beyond their market value, sither because they were never as good as they seemed to be (Denilson Bentdner) or have stagnated under our care.....(Arshavin). Ergo! no one wants to take them off our hands.
The thing that pisses me off with the Arsenal business model is that we like to claim poverty, but throw money like confetti on bog standard players, failing to reward adequately the players who deserve it. There is nothing wrong with one player earning 5 times what others do in the same team IF it is merited. We further compound this idiocy by pegging an artificial transfer fee ceiling of 17mGBP, when this cannot pay for the top echelon targets we claim to be after. FURTHER, we now want the fans to subsidise this nonsense with ever increasing prices at the ticket counter for poor reward in trophies.
They aren't going to be chucked out for free (or with the severance packages and what not). Project yoof is there to make Arsenal money. They invested a lot in the 'development' of the likes of Vela, Denilson, Dennis Bendtner and so on. Important to at least make up some of the wasted wages that have been paid to them by getting some transfer fee. Even then, with this particular generation of deadwood, we're going to take a fair few hits. Denilson was £3.4m as an 18-year old. Fucker is serving us no use going on loan deals probably until the end of his contract. As well you know it's important to be more careful in these deals in the future.
at the end of the day though they have to maximise their assets (the players). on the other side the buying clubs know they can also sit tight and play the waiting game. the window will kick off once the season starts, in its last two weeks and we'll shift some but not all the unwanted. i mean, tottenham played bentley in their pre season game - even though west ham had him on loan, there have been no fast moves to make him a perm hammer - he still has two years left.
Last edited by Kano; 25-07-2012 at 09:53 PM.
Bentley.
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