Arsenal in Crisis????

[Kano]

without question those players are likely to leave but the issue is whether that constitutes a crisis or not.

of those three, the fans had turned on Clichy on mass in the past two years and a majority are wanting to see the back of Cesc so we can either 'rebuild' or for the perception that his 'heart is not in it'. people were basically putting them on the list of players that they wanted out, so if they do leave it shouldn't be deemed a crisis given the backing that was give to them leaving.

what creates the crisis is the constant pumping of info from the internet, sky, radio and papers which pumps out all sorts of angles and extra tensions. the fans have created the demand for football 24/7 and the media have absolute control over the fears and anxieties of the fans, so the irony is amazing.

the perception that wenger never ever buys or spends on quality is taking everyone over, yet the very fact we have quality in the squad at all demonstrates that as an untruth.

[Elreactor]

Arshavin and RVP too?? But is it really possible that all those first team players leave? Wenger must be working out an unprecedented strategy to conquer the PL and CL at last. Unless he leaves with them.

Arsene knows.

[AKBapologist]

@YankeeGunner: If cesc or nasri wind up staying at arsenal, what exactly are the repercussions for the journalists who made up stories about them leaving

@Skyunion:@YankeeGunner For those who write crap for a living... I expect them to get a decent pay check, and to carry on writing crap
@skyunion: @YankeeGunner more importantly, if they leave, what are the repercussions to those who thought it was all made up?

Was on the other side earlier last season. If it weren't for Arsenal doing a wonderful impression of a crisis club, almost becoming a parody of it's self, with previous transfer seasons following less to the script, I'd find these news paper headlines easier to ignore. Unfortunately, in all cases especially when papers like the times, bbc and the guardian report stuff, there is almost always more to the rumours than smoke.

[Xhaka Can’t]

For the last six years we have lived in a comfort zone nurtured by delusion.

All that has changed now is we are no longer (well most of us) delusional, we know we haven't got the stomach or commitment to compete for anthing beyond 4th and the eight figures that comes from getting fucked over in the last 16 of the CL.

There is no desire amongst the people running this Club to go beyond that at all, and now they, and Wenger are on at us for not being 'intelligent' or 'patient' in accepting our lot. All the while aiming to extract more money from the people already paying this Arsenal Football and Property Company the highest ticket prices in World Football.

But hey, it works for them - in the short term, because we'll still sell out (pun intended). Some people want to believe that the people running this company want more on the football pitch. Some people here even point to us (the fans) wanting changes and Wenger and the Board delivering on it now. Afterall, we wanted changes in the playing staff, so now we are getting what we want. Well that is bullshit. This isn't planned or managed change. This is change forced upon the Club by players who have had enough and want out.

[Marc Overmars]

I'd say the period we are going through at the moment is a bit of a crisis, relative to our stature and expectation.

[Niall_Quinn]

For the last six years we have lived in a comfort zone nurtured by delusion.

All that has changed now is we are no longer (well most of us) delusional, we know we haven't got the stomach or commitment to compete for anthing beyond 4th and the eight figures that comes from getting fucked over in the last 16 of the CL.

There is no desire amongst the people running this Club to go beyond that at all, and now they, and Wenger are on at us for not being 'intelligent' or 'patient' in accepting our lot. All the while aiming to extract more money from the people already paying this Arsenal Football and Property Company the highest ticket prices in World Football.

But hey, it works for them - in the short term, because we'll still sell out (pun intended). Some people want to believe that the people running this company want more on the football pitch. Some people here even point to us (the fans) wanting changes and Wenger and the Board delivering on it now. Afterall, we wanted changes in the playing staff, so now we are getting what we want. Well that is bullshit. This isn't planned or managed change. This is change forced upon the Club by players who have had enough and want out.

That's exactly it GB. And where's Stan? What was the whole buyout thing about if Stan is just content to carry on regardless? Surely it can't have been all about a bunch of greedy old men cashing out at a million percent profit? Is Stan just the next "stadium project"?

[selassie]

Selassie,

I might agree with your assessment regarding ambition and sporting decisions when discussing Fabregas but I am not certain when discussing Clichy and possibly Nasri.

TG,

I'll explain why I think Clichy & Nasri want to leave re: Ambition & Sporting Decisions. I do agree that there is most likely a financial element in their desire to move but I also believe that both players probably feel they have a greater chance of success elsewhere.

Let's be honest, Clichy has been here what 7 years and has seen how Arsene operates...Arsene isn't going to change, he has a set way of working and regardless of what anybody else says or thinks he will continue to work this way.

His comments this week about not rushing in the transfer market and fans that should be grateful for what we have is a "big 2 fingers up" to those who don't like how he operates.

It's his way of saying "I will do things my way, I don't care if you don't like it"

Arsene isn't going to change, Cesc knows this, Clichy knows this & so does Nasri. IMHO They no longer believe in the system, they don't want to be pampered anymore or told that they will grow into Champions, they want to be Champions now, they want to go somewhere to fight for their place in a team and win honours...that's how I see things.

[AKBapologist]

Reporting here because of relevance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...in-Samuel.html

[selassie]

Reporting here because of relevance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...in-Samuel.html

AKB...we don't buy stars we make them.

We do things "The Right Way", developing players and giving them a platform to shine.

That article does kind of tell us what we already know, it tells us that financially we can't & don't operate in the same market as the other 3 (Man U, Citeh & Chelski). In fact....we don't even operate in the same market as Spurs & Liverpool...though it doesn't necessarily have to be that way.

The article also interestingly points out the "Ambition" word.

Ambition is driven from the top through to the manager to the players, at present our club lacks "Ambition".

I'll stand by this statement that if we sell both Clichy & Nasri to Citeh, we will been seen as easy pickings by the other 3 and they will come looking for our stars every single summer.

I can live with selling our stars to Barca, Real et al, but to Citeh & our domestic rivals? Do me a favour....

[Darth Vela]

Honestly? I think things actually have to happen before a crisis occurs. IF we lose Cesc/Nasri/RvP/Theo/Clichy and only a few of them were replaced then hell yeah it's a bit of a crisis but as it stands, I'm happy to lose Clichy and one of Cesc or Nasri as I think losing both would be a bad move and I don't think either of the others are going to happen.

Given the amount of people decrying the state of our team and how major changes need to happen I'd think more people would be more open to a clearout, unless you believe that it's purely the squad players fault that we were unable to win towards the end of the season then a few bigger names leaving wouldn't be an awful thing to happen.